no hard feelings - and i appreciate your attempt to urge us to see things from another point of view. now you know what we are dealing with - another whole layer of distorted thinking and feelings with very strong guilt stresses - as if we didn't have enuf of that already!

"My experience has shown me that I all too often tend to deny that which lies behind, but as I still believe, that which is denied cannot be healed." Brennan Manning, "All is Grace - A Ragamuffin Memoir"