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#53931 - 01/04/04 10:55 PM Goodbye
Leosha Offline

Registered: 06/18/03
Posts: 3614
Loc: Right here
I am someone to be feared. I am someone evil. The hell with this.


Avatar photo in memory of my younger brother Makar.

"Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted."~~~Martin Luther King Jr., 1963

#53932 - 01/04/04 11:10 PM Re: Goodbye
Andrew Offline
Moderator Emeritus

Registered: 07/25/03
Posts: 1192
Totally not true Leosha. Be patient and the recent little squirmish in Friends & Family will dissipate. We need you here. Peace, Andrew

there is no courage without anxiety

#53933 - 01/04/04 11:31 PM Re: Goodbye
Bill_1965 Offline
Chat Mod Emeritus

Registered: 06/29/03
Posts: 1983
Loc: Flint, Michigan

You are a wonderful, caring, and compassionate person. You have showed this time after time here on the boards.

Things will settle down and get better. Relax, take the time you need. I look forward to hearing your words again.

Take care,

Pain is Temporary; Quitting lasts Forever. - Lance Armstrong

#53935 - 01/05/04 04:37 AM Re: Goodbye
unknownsoldier Offline

Registered: 09/29/03
Posts: 105
Loc: Northwest

you are valued here, you are a good person, a strong and kind man. Do what you need to do, but know that you would be missed.


#53936 - 01/05/04 09:38 AM Re: Goodbye
outis Offline

Registered: 02/27/03
Posts: 2260
Loc: Maryland USA

I know that what happened in the chat upsets you greatly. You tried to help someone find a voice for his pain. It turned out badly.

But I hope you will not feel you have to leave this online community. I hope that the issues which led to that problem can be corrected. As I said in another post, I want the man who did not feel safe to be able to come here and feel safe. Of course, that will be up to him. You know he is a remarkably strong person. Perhaps he will try again to join here when he feels differently. Whatever he does must be the best thing for him at the time he does it.

Yes, you are someone to be feared. Someone who hurt you as a boy fears you now. As you say, you are reclaiming your life and your power.

No, you are not evil. I believe it would take a lot of effort for you to be evil, more effort than it takes to heal. Evil is against your nature while healing and striving for better things are exactly your nature.

This place still means a great deal to me. I want it to be a safe place for male survivors and the people who care about us to seek and find help. I want it to be the best it can be. I believe we need to set clear boundaries, state them prominently, then respect them and one another. I believe that the more of us who can come here and do that, the more experience, strength, and hope we can share, the better this place will be for all of us.

I hope you will decide in your own time what is the best thing for you. I want you to know that I will call you friend whether you are here or not, for you have helped me many times with your written words and, even more, with your courage while facing the effects of the evil done to you.


"Telemachos, your guest is no discredit to you. I wasted no time in stringing the bow, and I did not miss the mark. My strength is yet unbroken…"—The Odyssey, translated by W.H.D. Rouse

#53937 - 01/05/04 10:02 AM Re: Goodbye
Mike Church Offline
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Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 3439
Loc: Toronto, Canada
I am someone to be feared. I am someone evil. The hell with this.
Listen to what your brothers have said to you in this regard.

Leosha I do not want you to leave. Your insight and concern for your fellow brothers manifests itself in every post you make to someone in pain. MS cannot afford to lose someone of your compassion. Besides I am selfish and do not want to lose you as a good friend. YOU GOT THAT



#53938 - 01/05/04 10:18 AM Re: Goodbye
crisispoint Offline

Registered: 09/24/03
Posts: 2154
Loc: Massachusetts
Brother Leo,

You didn't give up on me and I'm sure as Hell not giving up on you!

No matter what happened, no matter what any other foolish, tactless, and uncaring person has said or done, you are a wonderful person who is worth more than the idiots out there.

You have saved my life countless times, and did so recently. I was close to the edge and you pulled me away from it. Does that sound like an "evil" person? Hell no, tovarisch!

Brother Leo, we depend on you here. While I do have your contact information (which is much appreciated and will definitely be used!), we need you to show us what is capable when a hard-working man sets their mind to overcome the evil that's been done to them.

No matter what some small-minded @$$hole thinks of you, we know bloody well different!

Peace and love, my brother. I'm sending you some of the strength you gave me.


There are reasons I'm taking medication. They're called "other people." - Me, displaying my anti-social tendancies

#53939 - 01/05/04 06:52 PM Re: Goodbye
RICK57 Offline

Registered: 12/31/03
Posts: 1611
Leosha - I don't know what's happened recently but you are not evil. Remember I only started coming to this site recently & you were one of the people that went out of their way to welcome me. I really needed that welcome & so will others that come here in the future.

Please stay with us.

The Brits need you!

Have faith in yourself - Rick

*Never look down on anybody unless you're helping them up.
*I was seeking a way of expressing my anger - I found hope!
*There are many battles before the war is won! It can be won!

#53940 - 01/05/04 11:13 PM Re: Goodbye
bountiful1 Offline

Registered: 08/24/03
Posts: 62
Loc: New York, New York, USA
Hi Leosha!

I cannot tell you what to do. No one has the right to ask anyone to do anything, or to demand that others have their ways of behaving, as long as they are doing no harm. I can only tell you how I feel and what I feel for you through exercising my empathy.

I am so sad that something happened that made you so angry and made you feel like you have to leave here. I wish that no one ever got sad or angry, but the truth of being a human being is that people can behave in ways that are unkind and hurtful towards others. That othera act in ways that can be hurtful to others has nithing to do with anyone other than their own viciousness. You are a great and by great I mean thoughful person. You were the first person heer to pm me, and what you have said to me has been a light in my email box every time.

I hope hope hope that I will hear from you soon, and that you can find yourself back here soon.

Your friend,


We are such stuff as dreams are made on, and I dream of freedom and happiness and fulfillment for us all.

#53941 - 01/05/04 11:32 PM Re: Goodbye
fhorns Offline

Registered: 08/10/02
Posts: 700
Don't quit. You have been through more than most men out there, and you still reach out to help other people. You've got strength. Yes, you do.

I am sorry you were hurt recently, and since I too am a sensitive man, it hurts too much when "trusted" people hurt us, whether intentionally or not.

You're not alone in this. You're going through a lot with the sickness and all, and the crap is hitting the fan from all over.

You are a free man, and we could almost all admit to distancing ourselves in this site when tough messages came our way. But we will be here whenever you are ready. We love you.



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