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#506043 - 01/27/17 05:15 PM EMDR and me
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Registered: 09/15/16
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Loc: Minnesota
Yesterday, reading Merle Yost and watching his free videos, I decided to get EMDR in my therapy. He recommended (Mr. Yost) that it is an effective csa treatment. I Google it, and found this in my state:

http://www.emdr-mn.com/

I've sent an email toward the goal of being a subject for certication. I can't afford therapy.

I searched the archives here at MS back 10 sections. I found this:

http://www.discussion.malesurvivor.org/b...5444#Post425444

And this:

http://www.discussion.malesurvivor.org/b...7063#Post397063

I checked that 2nd threads link to the AMEN link, claiming an EMDR related research for csa treatment. No, that's not correct. That AMEN link shows various brain studies, none csa and EMDR results.

Research? Where's the research?

The first link I give today, has much to explore. I'll look.

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#506045 - 01/27/17 05:59 PM Re: EMDR and me [Re: Ceremony]
Ceremony Online   confused
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Claimed as a thoroughly researched therapy, EMDR has the CSA gap! Yup, we're an epidemic, but, are left adrift!

https://emdria.omeka.net/items/show/23024

That link gives a citation of the review of various studies. A part of the Francine Shapiro Library. She invented EMDR. The link isn't working for me, but the citation states: "However, treatment of CSA remains unclear" which refers to different therapies, not just EMDR.


Another link, a citation to a study, but no link to that work. I might google it...
https://emdria.omeka.net/items/show/16729




Edited by Ceremony (01/27/17 06:23 PM)

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#506047 - 01/27/17 07:03 PM Re: EMDR and me [Re: Ceremony]
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I just now found this:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J070v13n01_04

And that link has citations/Abstracts of csa and EMDR studies...
Onward!

A 2003 study, published (download available) online Sept.,2008, and I quote:

Quote:
The current study provides preliminary evidence that the therapeutic benefits of EMDR for adult female survivors of CSA can be maintained over an 18-month period. Furthermore, there is some support for the suggestion that EMDR did so more efficiently and provided a greater sense of trauma resolution than did routine individual therapy.



Whoa... Red Flag citation next! I wholly reject a part of this Abstract! A claim that as few as 4 sessions of EMDR is therapeutic. I find my access to the studies is stymied by my using this phone. The only internet access I have from home.

Perhaps the requirement to prepare and ensure patient safety lay within the article? I don't know? The Abstract offers dissonance! http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07399331003725523?src=recsys

Ahhh, no matter that I can only use this phone, the studies require a paying member only access. Probably an academic/professional requirement too.

But, one more Abstract:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J070v14n03_02





Edited by Ceremony (01/27/17 07:27 PM)

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#506052 - 01/27/17 08:06 PM Re: EMDR and me [Re: Ceremony]
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Yeah, I'm still looking... who has done EMDR? Please post your comments?

I found this supportive Blog link just now. I urge everyone to read the comments after. Coping and Healing are discussed:
http://www.childtrauma.com/blog/role-models/

I found a pretty clear guide to the process of EMDR:
http://www.childtrauma.com/treatment/emdr/





Edited by Ceremony (01/27/17 08:30 PM)

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#506056 - 01/28/17 06:02 AM Re: EMDR and me [Re: Ceremony]
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I got a response to my first email just now, she told she was unaware of any studies or training certifications. She suggested I try for a sliding scale.

I'm not inclined to drop the idea that I might be able to keep asking about being a subject for certication. If it is a thing, and it's possible, I am willing to ask around. So, I just sent another email, to someone else in the network of training.

This person I asked, whether she's aware subjects are used in the certification process, is it a full EMDR process, and can I seek being a subject?

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#506060 - 01/28/17 02:33 PM Re: EMDR and me [Re: Ceremony]
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I just read the response from the 2nd attempt. Being a subject is a thing, and she is passing my info onto someone who might help me, (with my permission).

Yes!

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#506070 - 01/28/17 10:17 PM Re: EMDR and me [Re: Ceremony]
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He Ceremony,

i've tried EMDR in the past and it seemed to have helped. But back then i just realized i was abused and only came forward with it to my then therapist for the first time. There was no real band of trust between us, though she wasn't bad. It was just that i wasn't ready to dive in (too) deep.

But it did help me to deal with what was then the image i dared to work with. And indeed the image and thoughts connected weren't harming me any more. I wish you good luck on your work!
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#506078 - 01/29/17 04:36 AM Re: EMDR and me [Re: OCN]
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Hi OCN, I'm glad you had some results with EMDR. It does seem there's progress to look forward to.

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#506092 - 01/29/17 07:32 PM Re: EMDR and me [Re: Ceremony]
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There is smile
In the end i feel its all about learning to be with what's in us and not having to run any longer.. and dealing with difficult situations and memories through EMDR helps us to de-identify with all the emotional charge which is connected to them.

i wish you well on your journey!
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#506586 - 02/16/17 07:49 PM Re: EMDR and me [Re: Ceremony]
Ceremony Online   confused
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I just received an email that I might be able to get EMDR at a walk-in location. There's no guarantee I'll get a full session, but it's got possibilities. I'm going to study some more, and make sure I know what to expect. Anyone wishing to give preparation detail, not the EMDR session, but what therapists told you to prepare, would be very helpful.

Added: I Googled "prepare for EMDR" and found this site:
Wiki: How to Prepare for EMDR

I found it useful. This is one part that shows I need to write my experiences and expectations of what I can share. That way it should go smoother.

Quote:

Follow your appointment schedule. Studies have shown that patients who do not complete the full eight-phase course of treatment are more likely to lose the beneficial effects of treatment, or lack any significant benefits whatsoever.[28] For this reason, it is imperative that you commit to the full course of treatment, if you or your therapist believes that EMDR treatments could help you.
⦁ Phase one - this phase of therapy involves the therapist taking down the patient's history. The therapist will then assess the patient's preparedness to progress, and will work with the patient to develop a treatment plan.⦁ [29]
⦁ Phase two - during the second phase of treatment, the therapist will work with the patient to ensure that she has multiple methods of coping with emotional pain and trauma. During this phase, the therapist may teach the patient different stress-reduction techniques and develop a plan to process disturbing emotions as they arise.⦁ [30]
⦁ Phases three through six - in these phases of treatment, the patient will identify some type of vivid visual imagery she associates with the traumatic memory, a negative belief she holds about herself, a positive belief she holds about herself, and any other emotions or sensations related to the memory. Sessions during these phases will focus on the use of eye movement. The therapist will also teach the patient to focus on the positive self-belief that she has identified.⦁ [31]
⦁ Phase seven - during phase seven, the therapist works with the patient to find some type of closure on the trauma. If the therapist has not done so yet, he will now begin asking the patient to keep a log throughout the week, and will work on instituting the self-calming and coping techniques from phase two for use at home when the patient is keeping her weekly log.⦁ [32]
⦁ Phase eight - in this (potentially) last phase, the therapist will review how much progress the patient has made and evaluate how to move forward.⦁ [33]




Thank you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytZ73T9jGFQ
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http://www.discussion.malesurvivor.org/b...1680#Post501680

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