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#432874 - 04/29/13 06:47 PM Conspiracy of Silence
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wolves never weep, nor lose any sleep over slaughter of sheep.

"As long as the general population is passive, apathetic, diverted to consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as they please, and those who survive will be left to contemplate the outcome."
Noam Chomsky

"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
J.Edgar Hoover


documentary: CONSPIRACY of SILENCE

"There is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. There is nothing kept secret that will not come to light."
Luke 8:17

�Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are
presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new
evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is
extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it
is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize,
ignore and even deny anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief.�
~ Frantz Fanon


recorded interviews and related news:

an organized conspiracy to trade and traffick children right here in north america?
could this be true?
could this still be happening right under our noses?

"For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing,
whether it be good, or whether it be evil

Ecclesiastes 12:14


"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.
But everything exposed by the light becomes visible,
and everything that is illuminated becomes a light
Ephesians 5:11-13

"Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known."
Luke 12:2




"My eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from me,
nor is their sin concealed from my eyes."

Jeremiah 16:17

If men are to be precluded from offering their sentiments on a matter which may involve the most serious and alarming consequences that can invite the consideration of mankind, reason is of no use to us; the freedom of speech may be taken away, and dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.
~ George Washington


#433588 - 05/05/13 08:16 AM Re: Conspiracy of Silence [Re: victor-victim]
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"To cut the roots to change culture a long march through the institutions is necessary.
Only then will power fall into our laps like a ripened fruit.
Antonia Gramsci

the unfortunate fact is, my family and culture has been devastated by institutionalized sexual abuse on an epic scale.
the residential school scandal has deeply scarred generations.
the disclosure of this has traumatized the good people of the non-native community.
the damage ripples on.
currently, the country i live in is undergoing enormous efforts to address that ugly chapter in our past.
we must learn to forgive and live together to build a better future for our children's children.
revenge and resentment are not a viable option
reconciliation and restitution are the way forward.

Indian Residential School Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada
The TRC is a component of the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement.
Its mandate is to inform all Canadians about what happened in Indian Residential Schools (IRS).
The Commission will document the truth of survivors, families, communities and anyone personally affected by the IRS experience.
This includes First Nations, Inuit and Mtis former Indian Residential School students, their families, communities, the Churches, former school employees, Government and other Canadians.
The Commission has a five-year mandate and is supported by a TRC Secretariat, which is a federal government department.

Hidden from History: The Canadian Holocaust
The Untold Story of the Genocide of Aboriginal Peoples by Church and State in Canada

over 4,000 aboriginal children died in residential schools.
sexual abuse rates were as high as 75 percent in some schools, and rates of physical harms were higher still.
this is genocide.
The Truth and Reconciliation Commission has established The Missing Children Project to assemble the names of children who died, how they died, and where they were buried.
The list of names will be contained in a registry available to the public.
Aboriginal kids lives just didnt seem as worthy as non-aboriginal kids, Kimberly Murray, executive director of the commission, said in an interview.
Murray said the exact number of deceased children will never be known, but she hopes more information will come from churches and provincial files.
I think were just scratching the surface.

native american religion and child sexual abuse are walking hand in hand these days.

so there is a lot of spiritual healing and forgiveness going on between the first nations community and the canadian public,
which has revived some of the old rituals and beliefs.
things like sweat lodges, potlatches and powwows are regaining status and popularity.
elders are being honoured.
ancient stories are being retold.
lost languages are being learned.

my wife has been directly involved in the "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" project for the past few years.
she is still connected with her cree heritage.
i am alienated from my st:lo roots. zero contact.

although i have done some experimenting in experiences,
my knowledge of native american religion is very general and academic.

i have been mainly interested in the pre-Columbian societies.

as mentioned above by melliferal, there are many nations in the americas,
and there are many overlapping and contrary belief systems.
for example, the aztec religion was notorious for human sacrifice,
but the hopis were renowned for their nonviolence.
some natives believed in alien gods from other stars.
some believed in spirits in the wind.
some believed the gods lived underground.
you can find anything you want.


native americans are no different than the rest of the world.
no better. no worse.
we are all different from each other individually.
we are all the same.
no two agree.

there was good and evil here long before the europeans ever arrived.
it is the human condition.


#433590 - 05/05/13 08:52 AM Re: Conspiracy of Silence [Re: victor-victim]
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i just watched a six part television series from the UK called UTOPIA
it is fiction but is based on facts.

very disturbing but entertaining.
carefully crafted and well acted.
complex characters you can care about.
spectacular cinematography and brilliant screenplay.
plot twists and turns to keep you involved.

*trigger warning: children are often victims.

it's all there hidden in plain view...
trauma based mind-control,
blackmailed politicians,
brainwashing, media manipulation,
sociopathic social engineering,
a must-see for anyone interested in this topic.

i also recommend this black humour british comedy

it covers mental hospital military mind control conspiracy and the "project paper clip" connection to WWII.

learn more about "british psychological society" connection.

another fiction fantasy about this subject.
a film i worked on a few years ago.


written and directed by Zack Snyder.
the man who brought you "300"
"The Watchmen" and "Dawn of the Dead"
and now the most recent version of "Superman"

the budget for SUCKERPUNCH was something like 250 million canadian dollars.
the result is a visual masterpiece.
the distasteful subject matter is approached from a very obtuse and occult angle.
SUCKERPUNCH is extemely difficult to understand, but fantastic to watch.

in some ways it is very similar to BRAZIL

written by Terry Gilliam.
the infamous "Monty Python" cartoonist.

There are invisible rulers who control the destinies of millions. It is not generally realized to what extent the words and actions of our most influential public men are dictated by shrewd persons operating behind the scenes.
~ Edward L. Bernays
[Propaganda 1928]


#433693 - 05/06/13 07:44 AM TRIGGER WARNING [Re: victor-victim]
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you will not be able to just zip through these links, and there are no short cuts.
there is lots to learn, and no one will never know all of it.
if you set out to explore this information,
please navigate the mine fields as slowly and safely as you possibly can.

i was obsessed and compelled to wade through hours of videotaped victim testimony on the above links.

this triggered all my hidden memories of my experience with clifford olson, and i recalled how he used me to bring new boys to the jobsite, with the promise of work, which i did, to my eternal shame and guilt.
this was the hardest thing for me to accept and forgive about myself.

i am not excusing what i did.
these were my reasons:

i did it to divert his attentions away from me, but i felt sick about it.
then i felt rejected and jealous when he ignored me and began his seduction routine with them.
then i felt like killing myself for putting these other boys my age at risk.
but i was too chickenshit to warn them.
i had to protect my reputation as a psycho tough guy.
i did not want the other guys to find out i was "gay" or "fag".
that was a dangerous label in Surrey in 1977.
anyone suspected of homosexuality was beaten and bullied mercilessly by gangs of "fagbashers".
i had seen it numerous times.
guys humiliated, forced to eat dogshit, lick boots, just for being effeminate or timid.

i was afraid clifford would kill me or hurt me if i told anyone what happened, or if i failed to comply.
i was worried that i was no longer useful to him.
now that he had already raped me twice, he did not seem to be interested in me anymore.
he was starting to talk very rude and mean to me.
insulting and degrading me, calling me dirty names,
but he kept me by his side most of the time, and never let me out of his control.
if i was recruiting, then i still had value, i reasoned.

i still can't understand why i just didn't run away.
once, after the first rape, i did not show up for work,
i was just sitting there at home, in a zombie robot trance.
unable to act one way or the other.

he called my house, just like any regular employer would,
talked to my mother on the telephone, gave me shit for being late,
and arrived at my house within the hour to pick me up.
when he asked "why didn't you come in today" i wanted to yell,
"because you raped me" but it was like it never happened and i was unable to speak the words,
so i said "i'm sorry, i slept in".
even when we were alone, i could not admit that he had raped me.

he shook my mother's hand and promised her that he was looking after me.
he would make sure i didn't mess up this job,
and that he would "straighten me out". "don't worry".

she was so charmed, and told me what a nice wonderful man he was.
i was lucky to have such an opportunity, such a lenient boss, and i should be more responsible.
it was so normal, i almost laughed out loud.

instead i apologized and he took me straight to a big house in a nice neighbourhood.
he took me downstairs to a sauna, and he raped me a second time.
the man who lived there stayed upstairs.
he seemed not to notice when cliff and i were walking around with nothing but towels on.
clifford insisted i wear a towel, he said my nudity was improper,
that i should "cover up".
although by this time, i did not understand his need for modesty,
considering what he had just done to me.

after this, the subtle threats and insults started.
i could feel his loathing toward me, like it was my fault.
he called me a "slut" and accused me of wanting to have sex with him.
then he said i liked it too much.
i remember this made me feel bad, like i had failed or disappointed him.

for the next few days, after meeting him,
my mother gushed about what a sharp dresser he was.
it made me sick that she (a single woman) was obviously attracted to the man who raped her son.
i did not tell her what he really was. i did not want to upset her, or get in trouble.

i did not trust her anyway, because she had already let me down.
when i was 12 i told her that the tenant in our basement suite had been molesting me.
she did nothing, and let him continue to live there, after he denied touching me.
but that is another story.

this is all very disturbing to convey, but it is brutal truth.

any ruthless person can brainwash a kid.
it doesn't take a genius, just a degenerate.
it is a cold science.

this is clifford olson.

as i mentioned...
NOT ONE WORD of his involvement with government youth employment agencies, church people, or construction company.

he was one of the bosses, hiring and firing, and was in charge of several job sites, or so it seemed. he was literally running a stable of young kids (mostly boys), from which he could pick and choose.

and there were those other adults, one of which was some kind of VIP from some local church, one of them owned or managed the construction company which had employed or contracted clifford.

none of these other men ever touched me, but... they were there, they appeared to be tight with him, several of us boys and one adult witnessed a non-sexual assault and robbery of a boy (clifford had picked him up hitch-hiking), which occurred right on the jobsite. the assault included choking and a death threat from clifford. clifford took his money and marijuana.
kept the cash and gave us the weed. i can't remember how that incident was instigated, but he was frightening and ferocious for a few minutes, and went right back to his jovial charismatic personality, seconds later, like it never happened. we just went back to work, the kid ran away and we never saw him again.

i vividly remember cliff literally picked him up by the throat with one hand and threw him like a doll. the kid landed in the dirt a few feet away, and cliff was instantly leaning over him, choking him until his face was red. the attack was very sudden, and seemed unprovoked. it happened after cliff took his bag of marijuana and refused to give it back. he took the money from the kid while he was choking him.

at that time, olson bragged more than once, to me and others, that he had killed people.

none of this really seemed suspicious to me until i got to be a mature adult parent myself. those other adults should have reported these activities. from what i understood, they were part of some sort of prisoner/work/parole deal.

cliff was there to help troubled youth with his stories of rehabilition and repentance, and boy did he love to tell his stories about how he found jesus and turned his badass life of crime and jail around. how he had shot people, including cops. all the boys either feared or respected him.

here is the story as i posted it ten years ago.

many new memories have surfaced since then.
when the sh!t hit the fan at the end of this incident (1977), there was chaos, violence and disclosure, the police were involved at that time, and everyone on the jobsite know what he had done, and yet... ?
he disappeared until he was arrested many years later for a series of child murders(1981).

at that time i reinvolved myself into the case, reporting what had happened to me and others, naming names to the police detectives investigating the murders. they initially tried to discourage me from continuing, with remarks like:
"are you sure you want to do this?"
"are you sure that's what happened?"
"we're not sure it relates to our case"
"what are you hoping to get out of this?"
"what is it that you want us to do about it?"
"why did you consent to rape the second time?"
"what do you mean he had some sort of power over you? that doesn't make any sense"
"there's really no need for you to come forward, we got him already"
"why didn't you come forward earlier?"
"we already have enough evidence to convict"
"a couple of hundred rape victims have already come forward, there are more than we need."
"there's not really much we can do" etc.
i am paraphrasing of course.
this may be standard operation procedure for a multiple murder investigation, or they may have thought i was lying to get attention.
at this point, i was a fairly fucked up 20 year old.

i just felt like they were not interested, like i was trying to report a petty theft (NOT MULTIPLE RAPES AND ASSAULTS), as if they wanted to avoid the paperwork headache. when i insisted they take my testimony in writing, just to get it on record, they controlled what went onto the police report, coaching me, leaving tons of details out. it was strange. i was never contacted by anyone else again after that.
i did not get my day in court, and the accuser never faced the abuser.

none of it adds up now that i have the luxury of hindsight, but it far too late to fix it.

the whole thing stinks of cover-up, but i can't tell if his accomplices and associates were "in the know", if they were "in denial", or simply "out to lunch".
innocent people may be covering their tracks just to avoid being connected to scandal.
maybe clifford was just a master manipulator and had these adults under his spell as well.

hard to tell where the incompetence ends and the evil begins.

although the details are never clear... it feels like something organized is behind this...
i was given drugs and drinks (spiked?) with other adults present, then isolated, threatened with death, but not tortured or tied up... but like i said... fuzzy memories keep surfacing... but the memories are detached like i am watching it happen to others... and i am never sure if they are real or imagined or maybe i saw them in a movie.

by the time clifford olson got his hands on me i was already the perfect victim... groomed by other abusers, looking for love, low self esteem, street kid, etc.
so i was not hard to "handle"

i remember feeling like i belonged there.
this happened over only a few weeks until i was "rescued" by another victim, but i can barely remember anything but a few moments of intense isolated incidents.
those "moments" however are as clear and real as this moment.
i can travel back in time anytime i want.

one wonders what would have happened to me if i had not been saved by circumstance.

it is almost certain that the perpetrators/predators in most of these cases are traumatized/programmed victims of long-term sexual abuse themselves, who never managed to escape.

many are trapped since childhood in a sick self-perpetuating culture of violence, fear, and intimidation.

and having participated, often unwillingly, in crimes against other children, including rape, recruiting, kidnapping, etc...
these atrocities are filmed in many cases.
this can be held against the sex slaves for blackmail purposes, which forces continued "voluntary" participation until their souls are scarred and scared, and many feel beyond redemption, unworthy of forgiveness, fear reprisal for betraying their abusers, or fear public exposure, prosecution and punishment for what they have done.

you can imagine how deep they are buried spiritually.

this is "stockhold syndrome" and "vampirism" all rolled into one.

this is a very complex generational problem that goes way back in history.

maybe some were born sadistic sociopaths, but i believe most were manufactured and trained.
some, unfortunately, are born into these pedocults.

thank god i did not became one of these sociopaths.
no matter how hard i tried to erase all trace of "weakness" (empathy-conscience-emotion) from my personality, using my "vulcan logic"... i could not rid myself of my humanity.

after decades of detachment, i am still trying to combine my head's comprehension with my heart's compassion to overcome my compulsions.
it's complicated.

"Do not call conspiracy
everything this people calls a conspiracy;
do not fear what they fear,
and do not dread it.
The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy,
he is the one you are to fear,
he is the one you are to dread
Isaiah 8:12-13 (New International Version)


#434368 - 05/11/13 07:14 PM Child Sacrifice [Re: victor-victim]
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#434529 - 05/13/13 02:25 AM Re: Conspiracy of Silence [Re: victor-victim]
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I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.
Elie Wiesel


these stories need to be reported, but the media never tells the whole truth. there is always lies and cover-up.

watch these links at your own risk.

clifford olson cover up and conspiracy
victims and witnesses speak out.

highway of tears documentary

pickton's pig farm cover-up and conspiracy

sharpe's website


#434656 - 05/14/13 05:47 PM Re: Conspiracy of Silence [Re: victor-victim]
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gov docs declassified

Mind Control Archive Documents
Index To Entire FOIA Archive of CIA Mind Control Documents

the facts are far worse than fiction.
yet here it is, hidden in plain view.

Truth is mighty and must prevail, and if any body of men believe that they have discovered a valuable truth, it is not merely their privilege but their duty to disseminate that truth.
~ Justin W. McEachren


#435053 - 05/18/13 07:26 PM Re: Conspiracy of Silence [Re: victor-victim]
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#436454 - 06/01/13 06:16 AM Re: Conspiracy of Silence [Re: victor-victim]
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trigger warning!


It really seems as though, under the stress of imminent danger, part of the self splits off and becomes a psychic instance observing and desiring to help the self, and that possibly this happens in early even the very earliest childhood.

The child cannot always defend himself or demonstrate his rejection because he is paralyzed by intense fear.
The same anxiety, however, if it reaches a certain maximum, compels them to sub-ordinate themselves like automata to the will of the aggressor, to divine each one of his desires and to gratify these; completely oblivious of themselves they identify themselves with the aggressor.

The psychic apparatus has split: whereas a part of the child has recorded the experience, there is another part that splits off and seeks to maintain the belief that nothing has happened

If the shocks increase in number during the development of the child, the number and the various kinds of splits in the personality increase too, and soon it becomes extremely difficult to maintain contact without confusion with all the fragments,each of which behaves as a separate personality yet does not know of even the existence of the others. Eventually it may arrive at a state which - continuing the picture of fragmentation one would be justified in calling atomization.

Whenever an emotional reaction is suppressed, interrupted, or repressed, something is actually destroyed in us. The annihilated part of the person falls into a state of decay and decomposes. Should the entire person be prevented from acting, then generalized decomposition ensues, that is to say, death.

~ Sndor Ferenczi


#436455 - 06/01/13 06:17 AM Re: Conspiracy of Silence [Re: victor-victim]
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trigger warning!

operation paperclip


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