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#425853 - 02/19/13 08:12 PM COUNTERFEIT MALE
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#425896 - 02/20/13 02:38 AM Re: COUNTERFEIT MALE [Re: bodyguard8367]
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i love the poem.
i don't get the title.
they don't seem to fit together.
i don't mean this as a criticism
but i guess there is somthing i don't understand.
the poem is strong and positive.
the title sounds uncertain or disconnected ...
i don't know

lee
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How long, LORD, must I call for help, but you do not listen?
Or cry out to you, “Violence!” but you do not save?
Why do you make me look at injustice?
Why do you tolerate wrongdoing?...
Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails....
Habakkuk 1:2-3

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#425965 - 02/20/13 11:46 PM Re: COUNTERFEIT MALE [Re: bodyguard8367]
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#425981 - 02/21/13 02:08 AM Re: COUNTERFEIT MALE [Re: bodyguard8367]
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G - thank you for the explanation. it is practically poetry itself. your writing is very effective - both the poems and the prose.

your explanation makes sense to me on one level. if i accept all the definitions and terms that you seem to assume, it is perfectly logical and has an internal consistency.

however, i question some of those assumptions. the biggest difference i have with what you've said is your implied definition of "male." maybe i am wrong - and jumping to conclusions - if so, forgive me for reading my own conditioning into your situation. but if you define maleness as strong, silent, self-sufficient, insensitive, driven, macho, muscular, then i have major problems with that - and would say - congratulations on NOT identifying with that fake, dishonest, unreal, harmful stereotype.

the next objection is the implications of "counterfeit." just because you don't fit that sterotype does not mean you are not valuable - conterfeit means a worthless imitation. that is not what i see in your writing. i see authenticity. i see wounded strength. i see genuine compassion and determination and endurance. that to me sounds like a worthwhile human - regardless of the gender labels and preconceptions.

Lee
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How long, LORD, must I call for help, but you do not listen?
Or cry out to you, “Violence!” but you do not save?
Why do you make me look at injustice?
Why do you tolerate wrongdoing?...
Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails....
Habakkuk 1:2-3

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#426050 - 02/21/13 08:18 PM Re: COUNTERFEIT MALE [Re: bodyguard8367]
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#426077 - 02/22/13 12:14 AM Re: COUNTERFEIT MALE [Re: bodyguard8367]
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Geoff -
OK - YES - that all makes perfect sense - and i can affirm all that you said - sorry i was so dense in interpreting it to begin with. and thank you so much for taking the time and effort to explain. hope i didn't exasperate you too much. of course we all bring our own set of connotations and filters with us. this has been helpful to me to follow through step-by-step and untangle the misunderstandings.
Lee
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How long, LORD, must I call for help, but you do not listen?
Or cry out to you, “Violence!” but you do not save?
Why do you make me look at injustice?
Why do you tolerate wrongdoing?...
Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails....
Habakkuk 1:2-3

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#426132 - 02/22/13 04:36 PM Re: COUNTERFEIT MALE [Re: bodyguard8367]
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#426232 - 02/23/13 12:11 PM Re: COUNTERFEIT MALE [Re: bodyguard8367]
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Geoff -

thanks, this means a lot.

love you too, friend.

Lee
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How long, LORD, must I call for help, but you do not listen?
Or cry out to you, “Violence!” but you do not save?
Why do you make me look at injustice?
Why do you tolerate wrongdoing?...
Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails....
Habakkuk 1:2-3

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