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#400444 - 06/14/12 10:27 PM Sandusky Trial and ASA
LN3(SS) Offline

Registered: 06/20/08
Posts: 486
Loc: MD
You know, the constant coverage of the Sandusky trial really pisses me off.

Nothing better recently has shown up the disparity between CSA and ASA. I have heard no one bitching about broadening the rape shield laws to allow ASA survivors to keep their name out of the public eye. I have heard no one griping about how male ASA survivors have zero healing resources geared specifically for us. Hell, I couldn't even get a lot of people to put up a teal ribbon on Facebook in support of ASA.

But yet I'm supposed to get all up in arms about the Sandusky matter. As this trial winds towards Sandusky being found guilty, is anyone else upset about it?

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#400445 - 06/14/12 10:44 PM Re: Sandusky Trial and ASA [Re: LN3(SS)]

Registered: 08/31/11
Posts: 3855
I believe all victims of sexual abuse and crimes should be tree equally. I am a CSA survivor but I know the pain of being violated, as a child I had an immature mind and survival mechanisms kicked in. But it haunted me for a life time, took away who I was and I believe this happens to all victims of ASA. I believe a guilty verdict is what should be delivered. It will send a message that sexual abuse will not be tolerated. I agree the message needs to be all encompassing and I do not believe any victim would want to see another person so violated. I am sorry that the messages have not been more encompassing.

#400772 - 06/18/12 07:36 PM Re: Sandusky Trial and ASA [Re: LN3(SS)]
Chase Eric Offline

Registered: 10/25/10
Posts: 2963
As this trial winds towards Sandusky being found guilty, is anyone else upset about it?

? Hmmm, no. I certainly cannot say I am upset about this trial winding down to what seems an inevitable guilty verdict. And I am not upset about the constant media coverage, although the subject of the coverage is by its very nature upsetting. Just because something is unpleasant does not mean it should not be dealt with openly and candidly.

I think the Sandusky trial is an enormously important story for CSA and ASA survivors alike. Would a CSA survivor be "pissed off" with similar coverage of a hypothetical trial involving adult male victims? Should he be?

With all respect, please be aware of the fact that the "constant coverage" is seen by many on the boards here as a much-overdue public reconciliation of a subject so few seemed to even want to acknowledge. Also be aware that this is not just a case about CSA. It is an indictment of an entire administrative empire (Penn State) which was well-entrenched in a culture of denial. A lot of people saw what was happening to these poor kids, and no one stepped up to the plate for YEARS. You don't have to look much further than the correctional facilities to see a similar pattern of denial with adult male rape.

Those poor kids were left to deal ALONE with what Sandusky did to them. You emphasize "disparity" which I find surprising. CSA or ASA - it is a theme I would think you would fully embrace, a public airing you would fully applaud. The blind eye and deaf ear to male victimization - whether a child or an adult - can be tragically similar.

#400782 - 06/18/12 10:42 PM Re: Sandusky Trial and ASA [Re: LN3(SS)]
jls Offline

Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 1142
The real reason that this trial is getting so much attention has little to do with it being about CSA. Rather, it's due to the man at the center of it, as it would be with any celebrity.

Right now I'm sure that there are a number of criminal cases occuring across America concerning accusations of sexual assault and abuse against children and adults alike. We just don't hear of them because they involve unknowns. Anyways please don't take me as dismissing what you have to say about ASA. I'm just offering a little persepctive is all.
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#400903 - 06/19/12 09:50 PM Re: Sandusky Trial and ASA [Re: LN3(SS)]
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Registered: 05/16/12
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Edited by bodyguard8367 (02/26/14 11:48 PM)
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#400933 - 06/20/12 01:54 AM Re: Sandusky Trial and ASA [Re: bodyguard8367]
CruxFidelis Offline

Registered: 06/16/10
Posts: 486
Loc: NJ
Originally Posted By: bodyguard8367
ASA survivors get victimized twice.....once by their perps, and second by being totally and completely ignored.

Thank you!! This is precisely it.
“If a man wishes to be sure of the road he treads on, he must close his eyes and walk in the dark.”

- Saint John of the Cross

#401269 - 06/22/12 07:40 AM Re: Sandusky Trial and ASA [Re: LN3(SS)]
TheTwoOfUs Offline

Registered: 11/03/11
Posts: 149
Loc: USA
I am not upset that it is being aired. It pisses me off that those boys had to be put through that kind of hell.

That said - I view the Sandusky coverage as a "first step."

Step 1 - to start TALKING about it. Period!
While I fully agree that the only reason the Sandusky trial has seen so much coverage is because of Sandusky being a "celebrity", at the same time - it has gotten people to TALK ABOUT THIS!

You do not see coverage of male adult rape cases in the media, but even the women had to go through this delayed line of priorities and thoughts first. CSA of young girls became talked about LONG before adult rape of women did.

I have a feeling it is going to be the same thing with male ASA and male CSA.

MOST humans are naturally more inclined to pay closer attention to that which affects children. Therefore it stands to reason that male CSA will get the spotlight and be more openly talked about long before male ASA will be.

Do I like it? No! But it is what it is, and I can accept it as it is because to me, the simple fact that people are TALKING ABOUT THE CSA is a FIRST STEP on the road towards smashing down the walls that keep male ASA in shadows.

This is a MUCH NEEDED STEP towards getting male CSA *AND* male ASA dealt with in society.

ALL survivors of sexual abuse and rape, regardless of age or gender deserve the same healing. ALL survivors regardless of age or gender should be handled with the same respect.

They are not - which is WRONG! - male ASA surivors right now are where the women ASA survivors were about 40 years ago.

Male CSA survivors right now are where the female CSA survivors were about 20 years ago.

We are moving forward. 20 years ago the Sandusky case would have been in the news, but it would have been watered down, brushed over, gently swept across the newspaper headlines and been treated as an "open secret." it is NOT being treated as an "open secret" now, the boys are being spoken of, the details of the case is being TALKED ABOUT.

MALE sexual abuse is now being TALKED ABOUT.

That is a HUGE step!!

Male ASA will follow in time.

Adapt. Overcome. Survive.

#401547 - 06/24/12 05:17 PM Re: Sandusky Trial and ASA [Re: LN3(SS)]
Tyr Offline

Registered: 10/05/11
Posts: 180
you know i hate to say it but i wholly agree with this thread. Im glad justice was served but a tad tired of hearing about it and the abused boys. i hope they find healing and peace but ASA is a relevant matter and the world doesnt want to see so it does not see that which it veils itself to.
Once you hear the details of victory, it is hard to distinguish it from a defeat.

#401564 - 06/24/12 07:29 PM - [Re: LN3(SS)]
exhale Offline

Registered: 08/12/10
Posts: 101

Edited by exhale (01/14/13 04:41 AM)

#401578 - 06/24/12 09:12 PM Re: Sandusky Trial and ASA [Re: LN3(SS)]
men_of_hrts.dbw Offline

Registered: 02/20/09
Posts: 302
Loc: Orchidland Big Island Hawaii
Whoa...some of the replies on this thread have offended me..why is it that many of the recent posts/threads here are constantly conflicted? Go back and look at them for the last six months and on other forums and you will read debates on CSA/ASA issues and conditions. A few have been cut by the Mod's.
This pushes ASA members away from being able to bond and has triggered isolation at a new level in my life.

If you ask me l believe CSA is much more damaging to survivors.
l have shared face to face countless times with both men,women and teenagers who survived different forms of sex crimes.
Even other survivors of serial killers and deadly assaults..l spent three weeks with a family in their home, they provided airfare to their State, they had three generations of incest..two of the sons are in Texas prison one for life the other is condemened. The grandfather did it all.
My best survivor brother also survived a serial killer and went to the execution in California. I have had four men crying on my porch. I had a woman share how SSA affected her hetrosexual identity. I have talked to lots of parents of young survivors and non-victims about hostage, rape and torture survival plus the post-sexual abuse/assault trauma common among survivors.
You'd be surprised how parents are uninformed about what to do when sex crimes become a reality. The guidelines put all this information one step in front of the victim.
Even sat in on an offenders program and discussed another side of this evil coin.
I have given freely to survivors, non-victims and professionals The 203 Survivorship Guidelines Series. I have a 149 page version all handwritten that l compiled to heal myself...then others wanted a copy. Its all about the message not the mess.
If you ask me..we are all sex crime victims...and the moment we tell someone we become a survivor.
Doug>ASA Survivor (1x)
ECV 6001/MaTuCa Chapter 1849
E Clampus Vitus
"What Say the Brethren"
"Hang the Bastards"

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