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#384308 - 02/04/12 03:56 PM Re: komisarjevsky's death sentence [Re: EGL]
LandOfShadow Offline

Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 684
Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
Originally Posted By: EGL
when criminals do such horrible, heinous things and then try to excuse it away somehow. At some point, they need to take personal responsibility for their actions and the lives they've wrecked.

Maybe it's not an excuse at all.

An excuse would be an end point, but perhaps it's a beginning. An opening. A man trying to reflect and understand. Do better. But can anyone hear it that way? How do people respond when a boy says "I'm confused about what happened to me..."? You think people really are listening? (hint: "Penn State")

We here know very well how men's silence and isolation alone is very limited. The responsibility you mention also extends to adults everywhere not just perpetrators. The possibility I'm wondering about is, what if nobody ever listened to little Joshua and believed him? Or helped him? And he didn't deal with it very well since he was only 8 years old (or whatever it was) when he was raped by someone he trusted and loved. And nobody did anything to stop it.

I'm not excusing what he did, nor denying consequences for him, but just saying we are all connected, and have a responsibility to listen to boys and men, help them and we are failing miserably at that in a lot of cases. And it's part of the issue.

Et par le pouvoir díun mot Je recommence ma vie, Je suis nť pour te connaÓtre, Pour te nommer

And by the power of a single word I can begin my life again, I was born to know you, to name you

Paul Eluard

#384310 - 02/04/12 04:08 PM Re: komisarjevsky's death sentence [Re: LandOfShadow]
westchesterguy Offline

Registered: 11/14/09
Posts: 421
Loc: Westchester County NY
Originally Posted By: LandOfShadow
....Blame us. Stigmatize us. Marginalize us. Attack us. And the violence goes on unchecked.

i just tried to find a research report from the late 1980s - no luck- and so i cannot recall the good doctor's name who first studied l.a. gangs and those boys' history of sexual abuse. nonetheless, i'll be brief and deliver what memory serves. he presented the findings to us at one of the first male conferences i attended in '89 or '90. overwhelming (i think he said 100%!) those boys in the gang had been molested - and more than half by their mothers' boyfriend(s). gang members also used male-on-male rape as part of establishing order and initiation. so, since i lived in la at the time, every drive by shooting, every new murder, every hold up etc... little me simply said to myself "another survivor acts out." that was my take away. and it was the good doctor's as well.

joshua komisarjevsky. jeffrey dahmer. dean corll. john wayne gacy. richard ramirez. need we list more? we know there will be more -- young boys are being "primed" right this fine saturday somewhere in happy valley, u.s.a.

what will it take for this society to "accept" and come to understand that violent men aren't born that way? oh sure, its convenient to think it and want to believe it...and the men's parents sure will want us to believe it too -- if one likes fairy tales.

i would like to know though if a boy who is prone to becoming our next serial killer, and who is being raped today, can actually be plucked from that offending environment and saved.

i will submit -- maybe its not possible to bring a kid back after his brain crossed some definitive hunger to drink blood.

all preventable. how we do it, that is quite a quandary.


#487475 - 08/24/15 04:51 AM Re: komisarjevsky's death sentence [Re: westchesterguy]
victor-victim Offline

Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 6387
Loc: ūĚí™ ūĚí¶anada

this story made me so furious, i got sick to my stomach.
these two killers are the worst kind of humans.
pure scum. selfish. stupid. ignorant. evil.
Komisarjevsky is a predator, NOT a survivor!
his history is not an excuse, nor is it an explanation.
we all make our own decisions and choices.
we all take our own actions and chances.

Komisarjevsky had been on the radar of the Department of Children and Families as both a child victim and a child predator. As a child, Komisarjevsky and his sister had been repeatedly raped and assaulted by their foster brother, now a sex offender convicted for the rapes of other child victims. DCF Records also show Komisarjevsky, while still a minor, later sexually assaulted other children, including his own sister.

The mental injuries from Komisarjevskyís troubled childhood were very real and disabling, but not readily apparent to the naked eye.

In his first interview since being convicted in 2011, Komisarjevsky told The Associated Press last year that he tries not to think about the crime and suffers no nightmares about it. He declined to talk directly about the crime, citing advice from his lawyers.

His partner in crime, Steven Hayes, however, had no problem telling his side of the story to the newspaper, with ugly details.

'I donít deserve to live,' he said. 'I donít want to live.'
'I realize now Iíve got to live with this pain. Itís something Iím supposed to live with.'

Click to reveal.. ( disgusting disturbing details )
Hayes said when he walked back into the house with Hawke-Petit, 'at that point, we were just going to leave. Nobody was going to get hurt ó at least not by me.'
'But thatís when Josh told me about him and the girl,' Hayes said, referring to Komisarjevsky sexually assaulting Michaela while Hayes was out of the house.
Authorities said Hayley and Michaela were tied to their beds. Komisarjevsky sexually assaulted Michaela, and Hayes strangled and sexually assaulted Hawke-Petit.
Hayes said he and Komisarjevsky were going to leave after he returned from the bank with Hawke-Petit. But then, he said, Komisarjevsky told him that he sexually assaulted Michaela.
"I started to lose it," Hayes said. "Then I looked out the window and saw an unmarked police car. And I just snapped."
He said what happened next, including his assaulting Hawke-Petit, "wasn't who I am."
"I wasn't thinking right; I don't know what I was thinking. It was so unlike me. I'd never done anything like that," he said.
Both Hayes and Komisarjevsky have blamed each other for escalating the crime.
Convicted of multiple murder counts, kidnapping, assault and third-degree burglary in 2010, A Superior Court jury sentenced Hayes to death.
Before the trial, Hayes attempted suicide by overdosing on prescription medication - and told the New Haven Register he wishes he was successful.
'I donít deserve to live,' he said. 'I donít want to live.'
'I realize now Iíve got to live with this pain. Itís something Iím supposed to live with.'

In August 2015, the state of Connecticut abolished the death penalty, which means that both Hayes and Komisarjevsky would have their death sentences turned into life sentences.

During the trial, the court heard testimony about the indifference of the accused killers, who joked in text messages with each other on the night of the deadly home invasion.
HAYES:   ďIím chomping at the bit to get started.Ē
ďI need a margarita soon.Ē
KOMISARJEVSKY:   ďIím putting the kid to bed
ďHold your horses.Ē
HAYES:   ďWe still on?
ďDude, the horses want to get loose. Lol.Ē

Killers Sent Joking Texts Before Home Invasion

"Mr. Petit is a coward, he ran away when he felt his own life was threatened and left his wife and children to die at the hands of madmen," Komisarjevsky wrote in his journal. "Time and time again I gave him the chance to save his family."

this was after Mr.Petit had been repeatedly beaten with a baseball bat by Komisarjevsky until he stopped struggling and screaming. his head was covered in huge deep gashes from the blows and he was tied up. Komisarjevsky also claims he saved Mr.Petit's life by applying pressure and bangages to the bleeding headwounds, although he wonders why he bothered.

Komisarjevsky admits in his journal to taking photos of 11 year old Michaela after sexually assaulting her, images that he planned to use to blackmail her parents according to his own words...

"As for why? It was the accumulation of years of pent up aggression."

"What I was not prepared for was my demons getting the better of me."

"I was faced with the shocking realization that in some respects, I enjoy it."

"I am what I am. I make no excuses nor do I need anyone's forgiveness or pity. I'm a criminal with a criminal's mind."

from Joshua Komisarjevsky's journal

Click to reveal.. ( KOMISARJEVSKY's Journal )
"If you don't want to defend your family, then take your chances with the criminal while police sit outside and follow protocol," he continued, referring to the fact that law enforcement arrived on the scene and were roping off the area outside the home while the two assailants were still inside committing the horrific murders.

The entries also include sickening passages in which Komisarjevsky admits to molesting Michaela, though he wrote he "resented" the accusation that he raped the 11-year-old.

In diary excerpts presented in court and posted online, Komisarjevsky wrote that he "spared her that degree of demoralization" but that "in a vulgar display of power, I ejaculated onto her."

Joshua Komisarjevsky's journal:


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