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#36150 - 01/21/03 06:41 AM Both Middle fingers
Chey-Wy Offline

Registered: 09/01/02
Posts: 245
Loc: Cheyenne, WY
The following is an excerpt from a sermon that the current minister at our church gave on December 9, 2001. I hope that everyone can understand why I am so angry with this man.

It is a four page sermon so I will eliminate most of it … but I will include the part that shows what a hypocrite this man is

"God's Judgment and Welcome"

This is a sermon for all to hear, but it speaks specifically to those among us who are "stressed to the max", or who think that they are on their way to the bottom of life. …………….
………For eight years, there had been some major problems in the church in Rapid City where I served as the associate pastor. I seemed to be the one who was always caught in the middle trying to referee. It took its toll on me. By July of 1992, I was a spiritually cold and dead human being and Christian. As a workaholic I gave my time, energy, and all of my spirit and body to keep the church together. ……….

……Anyway back to the turbulent period in Rapid City. In those days, I had back surgery and developed a reaction to sinus medicine that almost put me in the mental health ward. My work was deeply appreciated, but the judgenent on God came upon me in pieces. Two very good friends sat me down one day and told me point blank, "Bob you are spiritually dead, You are a hollow shell of a man". ….. "Boy , You need an Overhaul". Graciously that generous, wise and kindly church gave me a paid, Two-minth sabbatical.

……..As I prepared for the time away in 1992, God gave me a dream one t=night that I would find peace in a cabin on a lake. …..My wife asked a friend to help up find housing. Providentially, a Presbyterian family owned a cabin on Lake Murray, Just outside Columbia, S C, one they would let us use, rent free.

…….Also, through what I had learned in hypnotherapy with an excelenty trained counselor, I had a vision of where I was in my life. I saw myself in a coalmine. ….In this vision of the mine, I was wandering the shaft in absolute darkness. Being deeply depressed and lost in my own judgement upon myself, I finally reached the bottom of the pit of the mine. …..
I can't believe that this is the same man, that, when I told him of my S A told me …." It is your problem …. Deal with it. The church he was serving at in Rapid City showed him compassion, care and concern for his well being and mental health. As many of you know I will be without health insurance on February 19th . I went to this man and told him about this situation. The only insurance I can obtain is going to cost $665.00/month and limits me to 30 psychiatric visits per year and pays $30.00 per visit. Any of you that are in therapy know that this insurance isn't going to cut it.

Yet the church paid for his counseling and therapy. The church paid his salary during his healing. One of the church members paid for his housing.

But what has the church given me for help with my psychological needs ….. Needs that were brought on by a Minister of this church sexually assaulting me.

They have given me the middle finger. ACTUALLY … BOTH MIDDLE FINGERS

From "Lion King" "The Circle of Life" with Lyrics

Nants ingonyama bagithi Baba [Here comes a lion, Father]
Sithi uhm ingonyama [Oh yes, it's a lion] (Repeat)

Siyo Nqoba [We're going to conquer]
Ingonyama nengw' enamabala [As lion and a leopard come to this open place]

#36151 - 01/21/03 11:13 AM Re: Both Middle fingers
Muldoon Offline

Registered: 05/30/02
Posts: 1428
Loc: St Paul MN
Chey-Wy That is so like the church,to take care of their own,but to hell with the others who need their help.
I would confront that minister and ask him why he gets help and you have to deal with it yourself.
May the church learn to show you compassion, care and concern for your well being and mental health. Hang in there and hope you hear from the church soon on your letter. Muldoon

Teach the Children to Never Hide in the Silence

#36152 - 01/21/03 05:26 PM Re: Both Middle fingers
Wuamei Offline

Registered: 08/19/02
Posts: 2700
Loc: The left turn I should have ta...

I'm inclined to agree with Muldoon about confronting this "minister." You of course may have a better idea of how he would react or what good it might do if you did. At any rate this could be good fodder for your lawyer for whatever legal action is being taken.

He said he reached the bottom of the pit. I wonder if he's really climbed out yet ?!...

Chey, I'm praying that you will find some better insurance soon, and most of all more support, especially from the church. Take care my friend.


"I can't stand pain. It hurts me."
--Daffy Duck

#36153 - 01/23/03 04:29 AM Re: Both Middle fingers
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Registered: 03/15/02
Posts: 735
Loc: Imladris, The Safe Haven of Ar...


Orodo (aka Tel 'Orod)

It is better to be Dragon Master than Dragon Slayer. Some Dragons are meant to be mastered, others meant to be slain. Odin, Great Spirit, God, grant me the wisdom to know the difference. "May the Valar guide and bless you on your path under the sky"


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