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#338741 - 08/21/10 12:11 PM This is Tough
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Its been about a month since joining MS and finally trying to recover from all the issues my CSA caused. It was never forgotten just rationalized by me. I am very glad I've taken the right steps to heal with professional counseling, deep faith, and a very supportive wife (and great support here) but find myself overwhelmed at times with shame guilty feelings and disgust over the way I acted out to numb my pain before recovery. My T says this is real progress but wow this is tough. Its all real raw but there is no way I want to go back to where I was before! Thanks to all here for the help and be well.......

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#338742 - 08/21/10 12:27 PM Re: This is Tough [Re: kb8715]
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kb,

The good news is you cannot go back to where you were before. Once something is processed and felt and worked through, it cannot be undone. There is healing on the other side of working through a recovery-related issue. Getting through the muck is filled with feelings we'd rather not feel, but it sounds like you are on a good road.

Andy

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#338746 - 08/21/10 01:28 PM Re: This is Tough [Re: FormerTexan]
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Thanks Andy. The support and understanding here is incredible. Be well.

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#339177 - 08/29/10 12:01 PM Re: This is Tough [Re: kb8715]
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I keep moving forward everyday but it sure hurts. I have no urge to relapse and act out at all but feel so full of hurt and shame over the past. I guess that's not uncommon. I thank God daily for my recovery but I still can't believe how very hard dealing with my CSA is. Thanks to all here at MS. Along with my T my faith and a great wife I remain 200% committed to recovery.

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#339968 - 09/10/10 09:59 AM Re: This is Tough [Re: kb8715]
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I'm sitting at roughly the 8 week mark since going into my recovery from CSA issues. Though it has been some of the roughest days of my life I thank God everyday for giving me the strenght to start healing. All of my acting out behaivors are behind me, though I often feel tremendous sorrow for relying on them in past. At times I feel hopeful about the future ahead and of course on other days very sad about my abuse and it's effect.

Therapy, Faith, great family, MS, and some meds are helping me along. Thanks to everyone here and be well.....



Edited by kb8715 (09/10/10 10:20 AM)
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#339970 - 09/10/10 10:27 AM Re: This is Tough [Re: kb8715]
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kb,

When we accept what has happened to us and begin to understand the effect it has had on our lives, we have to grieve. Let yourself grieve and feel and eventually you'll begin to focus more on the future than the past.

We all have such different stories, but we go through some very similar things. I'm grieving for a part of me that I didn't realized was so profoundly injured until earlier this year.

I'm so glad to hear of your progress and all the support you are getting.

-efm

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#339972 - 09/10/10 10:37 AM Re: This is Tough [Re: Ever-fixed Mark]
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Your sentiments reflect mine - almost 100%.

We are pretty much the same time frame also.

I am sober from porn/sex addiction 13 months - thanks to 12-steps.

Good wife who is supportive.

Faith that God will help me thru this.

About 5 months on this site and csa counseling.


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#340093 - 09/12/10 10:23 AM Re: This is Tough [Re: Sobernow]
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Guys faith and God will turn your life around as it has done mine. There is light and hope at the end of the tunnel, ive been where you have been i have felt the pain , guilt, sorry and saddness during my recovery as you are feeling now ,keep working on your recovery i know its tought ,and look to the day when you will have peace and rest in your mind and body.

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#340097 - 09/12/10 11:22 AM Re: This is Tough [Re: james 1959]
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There is such good advice, real understanding and compassion here, it really is a blessing.

Much of what you experienced during your time of CSA was likely too much for the kid you were to deal with. Now as a man you can help yourself and the wounded child you were with the very real pain and sorrow that are a result of that unfortunate abuse. When I was working on my early recovery and trying to minamalize or deny just how bad it was, I could remind myself that the sadness, the pain, the sorrow, the grief, the anger, and the shame were all proof of how real it all was and just how damaging. KB, the hard stuff is all part of the process of healing too, it is very difficult, but so necessary to get beyond all the bad feelings which have been and are hurting you still. I'm sorry you have to go through any of this, the abuses that caused our problems were terribly unfair. Trust in what the others here have shared, there is light and peace and a better life ahead for you. You are already doing the important work, are on your way and will eventually arrive where it is you need to be.

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#341609 - 10/07/10 08:24 AM Update: This is Tough [Re: 1.healing]
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I'm sitting at the 90 day point in recovery this week. In many ways it's been the toughest days of my life and yet I'm so thnakful to be dealing with the issues CSA caused.

I still have no desire to act out and truly don't think I ever will relapse to my demons. But I often still feel profoundly sad for my past behaivors (I guess alot of us do). Therapy continues to be helpful. I've worked on my inner child and found some relief through hypnosis too. My wife continues to be very supportive though does not want to know the details. I sure can't blame her for that. I've gone through the triggers, nightmares and flashbacks, which really are awful, and have forgiven the clergy who abused me (he's no longer alive). I can't understand why he did it to me though. The damage done is so real. I'm working through anger directed towards my parents for unknowingly placing me in a postion to be abused too.

I'm trying hard to stay positive. Some days it's still tough but I do know I am making progress, with lots of work still to do. I feel that God was there for me when I hit my own rock bottom and has given me this opportunity to heal. I consider that a blessing and thank God daily for recovery.

Being a part of MS has helped a lot. So many times when I felt alone obsessing about my issues I'd find in chat or in a forum that I of course was never alone and never unique.

I need to start letting go of the past and learn again to enjoy today and the future. This is still very tough but I have truly learned that a bad day in recovery is so much better than any day not.

Many thanks to everyone here and be well all.

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#341641 - 10/07/10 11:16 AM Re: This is Tough [Re: kb8715]
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I've felt the exact same way. Recovery. is. tough. I've rationalized what few memories I have, I feel overwhelming shame and guilt at times, disgust over the ways I've acted out, and I definitely will never go back to where I was before. You are definitely not alone with these emotions.

~Grant

Edit: I just read the dates of the post. I really like what you wrote in your most recent.

This is still very tough but I have truly learned that a bad day in recovery is so much better than any day not.

Im taking that with me.



Edited by Neverquit (10/07/10 11:20 AM)
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#341654 - 10/07/10 02:32 PM Re: This is Tough [Re: Neverquit]
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Thanks Neverquit. That's feedback I really appreciate. Be well.

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#341819 - 10/10/10 09:56 AM Re: Update: This is Tough [Re: kb8715]
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Hey kb
Congrats on all your hard work and truth facing thus far-I am proud of you and your progress-i hope you can seemhow far you have come In a short time.

Time does heal the wounds-including the self inflicted ones we choose thru acting out and fearfully running from ourselves. I need to remember that abstaining from compulsive and isolating sexuality contributes greatly to a life of hope and healing. It also opens the door,'previously locked shut, to healthy intimacy and fulfilling sexuality.

C u around brother!

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#341832 - 10/10/10 05:02 PM Re: Update: This is Tough [Re: Mountainous Buck]
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Buck I really appreciate your thoughts. In chat and in forums you've helped me face up to the challenge. One post you wrote said Face Everything And Recover (Fear). I've repeated that to myself a few times when my emotions ran high. Thanks Bro. Keith

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#342123 - 10/14/10 01:48 PM Re: Update: This is Tough [Re: kb8715]
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I've been stuck for the last few days on a question I'm sure a lot of people ask.....WHY?

Why me....why did he do it....why didn't my parents save me....why didn't I say something at the time...why did I wait so long to get help.....why am I so broken?

I'm sure this is all part of the healing process (my T and I talked about it this week) and I do thank God for getting me this far, but man this is so tough.

Thanks all for your support. Keith

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#342256 - 10/16/10 02:17 PM Re: This is Tough [Re: kb8715]
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It sure is! But it's well worth it in the long run. The feelings you can have are unprecedented. It's all a process. It takes time and dedication. Like others have said, once you truly embrace recovery, you just can't accept going back. It's all for getting better now, and working through the things that you must. Just remember that you have a support system, and use it to your advantage.

Good luck, if I can help in any way, let me know.

-J.R.

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#344868 - 11/11/10 09:09 PM Re: This is Tough [Re: J.R.]
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Its been a long 4 months of recovery. There were days when I honestly was ready to literally pull the plug because the pain was so bad. Therapy, Faith, a great wife, and plenty of support here made a real difference. My goals are pretty simple. I want to be at peace. I want to sleep a full night. I want to enjoy a full day without thinking about being abused. I want to enjoy Christmas.

I'm making progress. I can handle this to a better degree now. I don't act out. Sometimes I find myself smiling even some days. I am trying to stay positive and count my blessings.

There were setbacks too. Some of you know my wife became ill suddenly and the Docs are searching for a tumor. Nothing is clear yet. My T says by nature many survivors are care takers. That's what I'm doing now,taking good care of my wife and kids. Even stepping up again like that feels like progress.

I thank you all for guiding me so far. Its always made a huge difference.

What I am finding most tough right now is understanding how a grown man could have abused me at 10 and 11 never consider
the time bomb he was lighting. How could someone do that to any of us.

I doubt I will ever figure it out. I just know I will not let that son of bitch control my life anymore.

Be well. Keith




Edited by kb8715 (11/11/10 09:15 PM)
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#344893 - 11/12/10 05:03 AM Re: This is Tough [Re: kb8715]
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Hi Kb.


This has been an amazing topic to read going from strart to finish, it's much like a recovery road map, and seeing what you've achieved through reading the successive posts you've made is a real insite.

For myself, the only answer I found to the "why" question was that in the end it didn't matter.

When I was four years old at primary school (long before my abuse started at age 12), I remember being in the playground with another boy. In course of playing he knelt on all fours. I suddenly had the idea to jump on his back and pretend I was a cowboy riding a horse. Unfortunately, I was seen by a teacher and got into terrible trouble. I was asked if I'd considdered his feelings when jumping on his back, whether he was willing to have me playing cowboys like that, or whether I'd thought I might hurt him.

The honest answer is no. I'd merely seen the situation, had an impulse and acted on it, ----- indeed i found myself having a very hard time explaining to the head mistress precisely why I had acted as I did.

I know now, that children actually don't develope the ability to recognize that other humans are beings similar to themselves with feelings until after the age of five, and thus such things as I did to that other boy are simply a part of learning this and of growing up.

Some actions I think are like this, the person performing them simply has an impulse and acts on it, there is no reason, no considderation of anyone else involved, just an impulse and action.

for a ffive year old child this is normal, for an adult, ---- this is obscene!

In my own case, I am fairly convinced the abuse had no intention, indeed I think if I confronted any of the people involved they'd barely remember. There was no reason, no logic, justan action.

In the end though, ----- does it really matter? if you get shot, the most immediate and important thing to you is to heal from the wound, get the bullit out, stop the bleading etc. It doesn't matter if your shot by a bank robber or just someone on a rifle range firing in the wrong direction, the most important and primary concern to you is healing yourself.

And afterall, why is someone who caused such pain and general trouble in lifeworth more considderation?

This would be my thought on the question, ----I hope it helps.

Luke.


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#344917 - 11/12/10 11:01 AM Re: This is Tough [Re: kb8715]
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I have had a hard time talking about my past with anyone before and hope that by hearing other stories similar to mine will allow me to open up.


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#346637 - 11/30/10 05:10 AM Re: This is Tough [Re: Bradc00]
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I'm learning you can will yourself to feel better and it works. You can do the opposite to. I saw this one coming a mile away. I felt less than safe since August when our oldest left for college. Of course we miss him, but him leaving broke up my safety bubble since I knew I felt best when everyone I loved was here around me. Ok so for me that was tough.

We had a great Thanksgiving, hey many here did mot. So like clockwork I've been way off since he went back to school. Tough for me but come on. I think I'm a realist. I really think no one has a perfect life and yea while our CSA is so damn hurtful I fault myself as I look around and see how tough others have it.

How tough? Well in my world tough is:

Spending time all weekend with one of our son's best and oldest freinds. Everytime he comes into this house he throws a bear hug on me and has this huge smile. This kid is so happy at college and is always positive. We are happy he's an extended part of our family and yea and it is so damn tough that his Dad died on 9-11 at the World Trade Center. Hell they never found some part of his dad to bury..how freakin tough is that?

Tough is a close freind I work with. Last year tough was standing in a store front church in Harlem hugging him as he showed more grace I could imagine as were eulogizedhis 21 year old son shot dead in Spanish Harlem over a cell phone. A freaking cell phone.....

Tough is appreciating that at work we gave out 7000 turkeys for Thanksgiving and realizing how many more people need them. My family ate real good here....

Tough is grabbing gift requests off the Giving Tree at church and seeing how many kids won't have the type of Chrismas we can give our kids....

I know you get it. I sure as hell don't many days. I got physically abused and was mind F-d as a kid. Many good people here had it even tougher....

I got to look around me on a day like today where I cant sleep and I'm full of self pity and realize people all around me have it tough and even tougher than I do. I owe it to myself, my family, and all of you to tough it out, keep healing, and pay it forward any way I can.

Happy holidays and please keep healing brothers....

Keith





Edited by kb8715 (11/30/10 05:24 AM)
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#346642 - 11/30/10 08:45 AM Re: This is Tough [Re: Ever-fixed Mark]
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[quote=Ever-fixed Mark]kb,

When we accept what has happened to us and begin to understand the effect it has had on our lives, we have to grieve. Let yourself grieve and feel and eventually you'll begin to focus more on the future than the past.

We all have such different stories, but we go through some very similar things. I'm grieving for a part of me that I didn't realized was so profoundly injured until earlier this year.

That is some seriously good stuff and right where I'm living right now. Thanks Mark



Edited by Dewey (11/30/10 08:49 AM)
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#346645 - 11/30/10 09:01 AM Re: This is Tough [Re: Dewey]
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This is incredibly wise and man, does it apply to me right now. I am really in a hard place in terms of just coming to recognize what was done to me and how I have blamed myself and hidden so much over these years. Not sure the way out, but perhaps grieving is the way.
RL


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#346647 - 11/30/10 09:18 AM Re: This is Tough [Re: kb8715]
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Thanks Keith!

When my csa consciousness surfaced,'grieving and despair set in-I'm glad imknew to reach out and HAD a community of men to support me as I got depressed and slept much of last winter-having work to do helpmstabilize things too.

I am alive today. I am not crushed by my csa like my little boy was. I can give him attention care and grieving and Play when I listen to him.

So who has it tough in my life? My brother, also a csa victim, died after eight days in an alcoholic coma and lies six feet under the frozen ground.

My cousin, abused for years, struggles with mental health issues and addiction and is barely holding down a job far beneath her abilities.

I have many friends who've done jail time for their choices as adults-all were abused and didn't get help until too late.

Recovery is tough-but staying stuck is tougher-even impossible to survive.

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#346667 - 11/30/10 12:06 PM Re: This is Tough [Re: Mountainous Buck]
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((((keith)))

Tough is understanding we all got hurt in our own ways...some maybe "worse" than others but were all here for a reason.

I certainly understand what yur saying..and feel it...but know that your hurt matters and our other brothers who might have had it "worse" also feel our hurt. Its ok too, to be empathetic as long as you dont lose yourself in it.

YOU MATTER KEITH....AND YOUR PAIN MATTERS.

Like all of us..if you made it here your life has been effected by abuse...whether once or a hundred times.

Safe healing bro.

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#346671 - 11/30/10 01:00 PM Re: This is Tough [Re: Castle]
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yes Keith what they all said. my shrink says its OK to feel sorry for yourself sometimes so long as it aint the only thing you feel. OR something like that.


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#346812 - 12/01/10 09:46 PM Re: This is Tough [Re: teebone21]
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You guys are great. Each of you have contribute to my recovery in ways you may not even realize. A number of you are there to check in with me daily. The MS community is incredible

BUT I AM STILL SO PISSED.

Hey I know I am making progress...I am laughing again, enjoying stuff, taking care of those around me. trying to pay it forward here etc, but I'm inside out on the serenity prayer and don't accept right now I can't fix-change everything in sight.

I want control, i want to know bad things won't happen to good people. I want to know each of you here and everyone else here is gonna get better. i want to know kids are still not being hurt and won't end up here with us.

I want a drink and a smoke. Yeah thats the ticket......

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#348079 - 12/14/10 10:36 AM Re: This is Tough [Re: kb8715]
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Month 5 of recovery completed. It feels really different, and different is better in many ways.

The nightmares, flashbacks, panic attacks are done. Nothing I miss with that crap. I do see my abusers face constantly in my head and could live without that reminder, but I'll deal with that.

I stopped taking meds because I no longer feel depressed. That has messed up my sleep and left me edgy/angry, but it's not directed or taken out on my family. If anything I feel even greater love towards my wife and kids, if that is possible. Maybe that's more a re-connection....don't know.

I'm drinking, eating and smoking more, but it's controlled, well I think. The drinking is mostly social and Its good to be able to be sitting with friends and neighbors and appreciate them all again.

The smoking is a bit confusing. I like cigars. My old man pretty much forced that habit on me from 18 on. What I don't get is that my abuser was also a cigar smoker and I'm surprised I don't see that as a major trigger. Any way I'm smoking too much out in the garage and guess I'm lucky the dogs like to sit there with me still.

I'm working on fixing relationships with our older 2 kids (they are 18, 17, 12). They don't know of my CSA and my T says they never should be told. That works for me just fine. I do have it stuck in my mind that I must have seemed a major tool to them often because I was always physically there but typically emotionally absent. You got no idea how much it hurts me that I can count lots of time when at a game some friend would say did you see that great play your kid just made, and the honest answer was nope, didn't realize he was on the field even. In any case I feel kind of like the Grinch post his fix but think I am over compensating at times too. Some how I committed to hosting New Years Eve for what could be way too many HS seniors and College freshman, by example.

My recovery focus needs to be on dealing with my abuser and putting him in the place he deserves. I hate even writing this now, but the truth is that he was a very popular, charismatic, community leader. It is sick to say but he was always nice to me and that kills me knowing the harm he did. If you ever read the Steven King book "IT", I see him like the monster Pennywise the Clown, smiling and drawing me close at 10 years old, then finding out way to late that behind that smiling Clown face was fangs and a God awful monster.

Still have not shed tear #1 for my Dad. Still angry with him for not protecting me. Still angry at the really bad way he died and having to take that trip with him. That's really unfair and I sure hope he would understand.....

My T is great. He encourages me to try and pay it forward here. Helping others (if I did actually help anyone yet) is healing for me. I owe a lot to so many of you here who grabbed me up day 1. It's hard to figure how such an incredibly intimate injury can be healed in this communial environment, but it does somehow.

I'm looking forward to Christmas. My faith remains real strong. Our oldest is back from college Friday and it feels good when we are all together. I'm looking forward to making the most of the 3 weeks or so we are all together.

Be well all. I can't thank you all enough for having the real bad fortune to join me here at MS and help me find some common peace ......and yeah this is still real tough!

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#350379 - 01/11/11 01:59 PM Re: This is Tough [Re: kb8715]
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6 months of recovery now.

For those of you just starting out I can say it does get easier and it does get better. By that I mean you do heal.....

Don't get me wrong, every day I still think way too much about the horrible thing that happened to me as a kid. That may never change. But now I can breathe and live some at the same time.

I start to realize the specific effects abuse has on you as a person. For me it most effects my ability to parent and be confident in my decisions in that role.

I also realize why you make some decisons because of your abuse too. I married the only woman I ever really felt safe with. Though we are so very lucky for all that we have, I am sure she was also the only one I would ever feel this way about. That is something I would not change no matter what.

My wife is still facing a real health crisis today. We are waiting on a diagnosis right now. I am thankful to be there for her. I am glad to realize how important each day is.

Dealing with CSA is still so tough. The truth is there will always be speed bumps in life, and on any day something even tougher may be waiting for us all.

For me it's all the more reason to remain committed to getting better a bit each day. I hope you all can do the same.

There are incredible men and women here. I wish each of us nothing but peace....be well.

Keith

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#350380 - 01/11/11 02:15 PM Re: Update: This is Tough [Re: kb8715]
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the bad news is, its tough
there are two bits of good news.
1) We're in this together, so we support and help each other.
2) healing means getting better, and we're all doing that.


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