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#326646 - 03/30/10 01:52 PM another Church's view
Dale English Offline
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Registered: 06/08/03
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Hi all,

Here is a refreshing take on the issue of clergy abuse from a minister from another denomination.


#326651 - 03/30/10 02:55 PM Re: another Church's view [Re: Dale English]
catfish86 Offline

Registered: 10/27/09
Posts: 832
Loc: Ohio
Wow. That was a very well articulated analysis of the issue. Some of the comments are very well reasoned as well, not the typical "castrate the animals" or "these kids enjoyed it" drivel you often see with these types of stories. Thanks for posting that. For one thing that I don't often see is he brings up the "sin-forgiveness" philosophy as a major component aside from just the "evil SOBs covered it up to protect the church and their behind" accusations. Mostly from what I have seen is fatally flawed willingness to forgive on the part of the church as a major component. That is not to say there is not the cover-it-up philosophy at play but too little of this is mentioned in what has to change in the Catholic Church and other churches.

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The Serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The Courage to change the things I can,
And the Wisdom to know the difference.

#326660 - 03/30/10 04:09 PM Re: another Church's view [Re: catfish86]
kidneythis Offline

Registered: 11/09/09
Posts: 1558
Interesting. I wouldn't call the celibacy requirement ancient. It was instituted in the middle ages if I remember correctly because of the abuses of power which were mostly sexual in nature, by "priests" who were actually politicians or someone who purchased the position. Priests and the pope had many many bastard children and spent the church's money like a trust fund baby. The clear disparity between the>

Edited by kidneythis (03/30/10 04:13 PM)
As Mark Twain once quipped, history may not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.

#327155 - 04/02/10 10:29 PM Re: another Church's view [Re: kidneythis]
Deved Offline

Registered: 04/18/08
Posts: 24
Loc: British Columbia
Yes, the sin-forgiveness paradigm is part of the problem. There is an attitude that it is about the sin of two people... the priest on the one-hand, and the child on the other. Somehow, they just don't get it that the child has not sinned. Yet this is how it is treated... as a matter of sin and reconciliation, rather than dangerous people who need to be prosecuted.

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