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#286959 - 05/10/09 06:37 AM Re: Is there a God? [Re: profryr1974]
michael banks Offline

Registered: 06/12/08
Posts: 1755
Loc: Mojave Desert, Ca

But God allowed Jesus to be brutally beaten and put to death on a Roman cross. Not because he did not love his son or could not have stop it. But because thu Jesus obedience and acceptance to fulfill God's will. Thru Jesus's sarifice on that cross he took upon himself the debt we could not pay. To cleanse of us all of our sins even those that had not been committed bt those not yet born. For all those who have faith in Jesus Christ. So as I see it if I don't choose to believe in the sarifice of Jesus Christ for all sinners. Then it is I who have walked away from God and not the other way around.
In God's plan all things work out for those who love Jesus Christ. Bad thing happens to good people. Satan wants to bring down with him as many of God's children as he can.

"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities,against powers, against rhe rulers of the darkness of this age,against spiritual hosts of wickedness in heavenly places" (eph 6:12)nkj

Until you understand this nothing makes sense.

We need to stay focus on whom is our real enemy - SATAN.
The prince of light. The ruler of this world. And satan's greatest lie and victory is convincing mankind that he does not exist. He is the master of all lies.

For many years I was trapped in my anger at God for allowing me to be abused as a child. Today I have freedom from the pain and abuse that I suffered as a child. Because I became able to see his love for me. By the fact that he gave up his only son to die in my place for my sins. While I was still a sinner and sinning against him.

God gave me the strenght to survive and then to overcome the things that have happened to me in my life. And to learn how to use these things for the benefit of others who have suffered the same abuse isssues as I have had to in my life. Maybe this was why I suffered the things as a child. Everybody is useful to God evem if it is just to be a bad example for others.

Luke, thanks for leading me in the direct to open my bible tonight.


To own one's shadow is the highest moral act of a human.
-Robert Johnson-

"IT ought never be forgotten that the past is the parent of the future" John C. Calhoun

WOR Alumni Sequoia 2009

#287045 - 05/11/09 05:05 AM Re: Is there a God? [Re: michael banks]
pufferfish Offline

Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 6875
Loc: USA
Guys, I sometimes feel like the man who fell into the hands of robbers. I was robbed as a child. I was robbed of my childhood, my innocense, my sense of security, and my sexual health. This is why I post this passage. Who was it that found me and cared for my wounds?

Luke 10:30-36

30 In reply Jesus said:
"A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead.
31 A priest (religious official) happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite (a man of esteemed position), when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan (a man of despised race), as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine (medicine). Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'

36 "Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"


pufferfish whistle

#288148 - 05/20/09 05:05 AM Re: Is there a God? [Re: myboyhoodfears]
Daniel_forgotten Offline

Registered: 02/07/09
Posts: 479

#288156 - 05/20/09 06:45 AM Re: Is there a God? [Re: Daniel_forgotten]
behindthewall Offline

Registered: 07/28/08
Posts: 126
Loc: US

You know more about me than what I have posted because of our conversations. You know I was raised in cult. I was taught my Master was Satan. He was the one I bowed down to. God was the enemy.

I sat in church every Sunday listening to them ramble on about God. We had to go, it provided a good cover for what was really going on. My father was even a deacon for a while. After that church though, we'd go to my real church where we heard the "truth".

There were so many things growing up Charlie that I shouldn't have survived. There's no logical explanation why I did. A few times during those rituals I knew there was somebody there with me, telling me to hang on that I'd make it. I'm not saying it was God or anything but I know that's why I made it.

I don't have a relationship with God but I know hes there. I'm reading things that some of the guys here have told me to start with. I guess what I am trying to say is just keep an open mind. You said you don't know how to talk to God, I dont either really but I think I am making progress. Just be still, tell Him you're ready to hear and listen, not with your head but with your heart.


#288161 - 05/20/09 09:51 AM Re: Is there a God? [Re: behindthewall]
Jim1961 Offline

Registered: 03/10/09
Posts: 1201
Loc: Pa, but likely traveling...
Originally Posted By: behindthewall
There's no logical explanation why I did. A few times during those rituals I knew there was somebody there with me, telling me to hang on that I'd make it. I'm not saying it was God or anything but I know that's why I made it.

This the amazing part for me too. I have no way to explain how I made it from age 11 to 18. I should have died several times. I should have been arrested many times. Even after that, I should have contracted AIDS.

But there was something in the core of my being that was not "touchable" by all the outside influences. Something that made me stay positive (even just a little) and that the outcome would be ok. I can't logically explain it either.

I considered myself an atheist for many years, yet this "core belief" stayed with me and made me question my attitude about God.

I joined the Catholic Church 6 years ago. I still had trouble intellectually believing in God. One book that really helped me get past that was Mere Christianity by CS Lewis.

Your brother,

Loneliness is a power that we possess to give or take away forever. -Yes, Starship Trooper

My Story

#288180 - 05/20/09 03:51 PM Re: Is there a God? [Re: Jim1961]
petercorbett Offline

Registered: 07/27/08
Posts: 2509

Well after my WOR last weekend, and asking for some devine help in finding little Peter, it was granted. I'm not sure just how much asking for devine help made me find him. I have been looking for him for 70 yrs.

But he is here and he is me. And I am happy.

Heal well my brothers/friends.

Pete (Irishmoose)

Working Boys' Home 10-14 yrs old, grades 5-8. 1949-1953
A very humble alumni of the WOR Dahlonega, GA.
May 15-17 2009, Alta, Sep. 2009. Sequoia, 2010.
Hope Springs, 2010.

#288229 - 05/20/09 11:44 PM Re: Is there a God? [Re: petercorbett]
Gerald2007 Offline

Registered: 08/03/07
Posts: 157
Loc: Southeastern US
I am so glad you have found little Pete. I watched with amazement and awe as you steadfastly pursue your goal during the weekend.

God bless you. Your friend and brother.


Alumnus: Weekend of Recovery - Dahlonega, May 2008 and May 2009
We are bound together by the pain of the past and our hopes for the future.

#475140 - 01/15/15 03:03 AM Re: Is there a God? [Re: Charlie24]
victor-victim Offline

Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 6387
Loc: š¯’Ŗ š¯’¦anada
the ultimate intimate question.
some excellent answers.

you have created a great debate here, Charlie24,
sorry i'm late.

even now, as i call myself christian,
i am never truly clear of this question.
my search and research mission continues.
i'll let you know if i get any news.

i ask and answer myself often,
entertaining internal dialogue,
but the ultimate truth is exclusive,
and god remains evasive and elusive.

"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself."      ~ Richard Burton

to be honest, i have experienced spiritual realities under extreme conditions,
extra sensory deprivations and saturations,
super natural events, and near death experiments...
so i have more trouble doubting than believing.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."      ~ Galileo Galilei

it would seem that scripture agrees with galileo's view.
the bible teaches that skepticism is a virtue.

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (ACTS 17)
Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (1 JOHN 4)
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 THESSALONIANS 5)

i am a believer,
burdened by doubt.
a spirit receiver,
who keeps tuning out.

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him
than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word 'darkness' on the walls of his cell."     ~ C. S. Lewis

believing isn't everything.
it's not even enough.
i need faith to take me through,
when the times get tough.

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works:
shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well:
the devils also believe, and tremble.

i leave you all with these little nuggets i dug up.

“Some people say they will not believe in anything they can't see. What a catastrophe to not have any faith at all! You live only less than a half of life, if you will only believe in the things that you can see. Life is lived by those who have much faith and believe in many unseen things. If you believe in nothing that you cannot see, think about how much there is that you choose to turn your face away from! You can't see your soul and you cannot prove that it exists, therefore if you call yourself one who believes in nothing unseen, then you will forever deny your soul its existence, for the existence of the soul dwells in love, trust, anger, passion, faith, belief, strength; the soul is forever nourished by things that are unseen! And so we have too many empty bodies walking around! Bodies with souls inside that are half-dead and dying.”
- C. JoyBell C.


Some would deny any legitimate use of the word God because it has been misused so much. Certainly it is the most burdened of all human words. Precisely for that reason it is the most imperishable and unavoidable. And how much weight has all erroneous talk about God’s nature and works (although there never has been nor can be any such talk that is not erroneous) compared with the one truth that all men who have addressed God really meant him? For whosoever pronounces the word God and really means You, addresses, no matter what his delusion, the true You of his life that cannot be restricted by any other and to whom he stands in a relationship that includes all others. But whoever abhors the name and fancies that he is godless—when he addresses with his whole devoted being the You of his life that cannot be restricted by any other, he addresses God.
Martin Buber (I and Thou)

and this from notorious Pierre Franēois Lacenaire...

"A Prayer to God"

God, whom I invoke,
listen to my prayer,
dart into my soul a ray of faith,
for I blush to think that I am only matter,
and yet in spite of myself, I doubt.
Pardon me if in my presumption
my eye has failed to detect
Thy hand in Thy creation.
God - annihilation - the soul - nature
- these are secrets -
I shall know them all to-morrow.

L'Élégant Criminel went to the guillotine the next day.


"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle.
The other is as though everything is a miracle."
Albert Einstein

"It may be that there is no God, that the existence of all that is beautiful and in any sense good is but the accidental and ineffective byproduct of blindly swirling atoms, that we are alone in a world that cares nothing for us or for the values that we create and sustain - that we and they are here for a moment only, and gone, and that eventually there will be left no trace of us in the universe. A man may well believe that this dreadful thing is true. But only the fool will say in his heart that he is glad that it is true."
Sterling M. McMurrin

"Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case, the idea is quite staggering."
Arthur C. Clarke

"Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer."
Franēois-Marie Arouet

"I love religion. I could make up religions all day." Neil Gaiman

"Man, exalted by ignorance and faith, discovers his own image, but enlarged and reversed."
Mikhail Bakunin

"I love all religions, but I am in love with my own."
Agnes Bojaxhiu        (Mother Teresa)


#475963 - 01/25/15 06:50 PM Re: Is there a God? [Re: Charlie24]
little big man Offline

Registered: 06/19/10
Posts: 123
Loc: nevada
I am a Buddhist, so NO! I don't pray to anything because there is nothing to pray to. There is another path to enlightenment besides a god centerned faith. The foundation is meditation. Buddhism is not a faith based religion. no praying no worshiping
There is the Thinker and with meditation, the one who watches the Thinker. Get to know the one who watches the thinking. The mind is inherantly pure, we can always go there. An empty mind is a ready mind, it is ready for anything.

#475968 - 01/25/15 07:26 PM Re: Is there a God? [Re: Charlie24]
victor-victim Offline

Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 6387
Loc: š¯’Ŗ š¯’¦anada
i enjoy praying and worshipping.


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