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#26329 - 01/06/03 02:23 PM Re: do I forgive ?
zadok1 Offline

Registered: 11/05/02
Posts: 188
Loc: Ohio
I wish that I could be angry, but who should I be angry at? All I have left of my abuser are vague images and feelings. He is nameless and faceless, a boy who passed through and left me torn and broken. For years I was angry at myself, perhaps it was because I was the only one left to be angry with. I donít know if I have forgiven anyone. There comes a point where you just have to cut it all loose, because carrying it becomes too much. I guess I am lucky that way, because I donít have a specific person to be angry with. For me it has been more a struggle to forgive myself, and to feel worthy and whole again.

Religion is both a blessing and curse in all of this. From the time I was young, turning the other cheek and forgiving was drilled in as moral Christian virtues. When I failed to meet those ideals that I had accepted as fact, my esteem crashed. I hated myself as much because I had failed what I saw as right, as for my poor judgment, passive compliance, or the one who abused me. Yet, I cannot imagine trying to recover without my faith to guide me. I canít imaging what it would be like to think this world was it, and that there was no higher reason for suffering through the pain and healing. Faith gives me the power to live and to overcome. I know that there will be justice in the end. I know that the victory is mine. I know that suffering and failures come as a test, a way of tempering me into a better man. I know that in the end, I am better for having overcome what happened.

I have heard that forgiving is something we do for ourselves, not for those that committed the sin against us. There is where the truth lies. A person will never be happy when they are filled with hate and resentments. Forgiving allows you to put the past in the past, and to move on with life. I donít think that is possible when you hate your past. The hate keeps dragging you back to the days when you developed those feelings. Whether you label forgiveness or something else, cutting it loose, and moving on is what is important.

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those that are evil, but because of those who do nothing about them- Albert Einstein

#26330 - 01/06/03 05:32 PM Re: do I forgive ?
Les_Angry Offline

Registered: 10/06/02
Posts: 195
Hey Guy43,

I don't mind the "Bible thumping idiots" reference. Here is something most Bible thumpers do not do, myself included sometimes:
Preach the gospel always, if necessary, use words
-St. Francis of Assisi

Here is something the Dean quoted in another string:
Ghandi is supposed to have said something like "I have come to admire Jesus Christ and His teachings. What a pity He has so few true followers."
Most people think that if you go to church and listen or pick up the bible and read, you are going to find all the stupid behaviors of people who claim to follow him, but you will really find quite the opposite.

Mo_Healing (Les_Angry)

#26331 - 01/08/03 09:32 PM Re: do I forgive ?
RJD Offline

Registered: 02/18/01
Posts: 326
Loc: jefferson City, Mo,usa
This thread Lloydy started is really is the beginning of "CUSSING", but I was afraid it might get cut, and I didn't want to interrupt the flow already stareted here

#26332 - 01/08/03 09:48 PM Re: do I forgive ?
Lloydy Offline
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Registered: 04/17/02
Posts: 7071
Loc: England Shropshire
no way, we only cut personal stuff.

Dave \:D

Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! Live the life you've imagined. As you simplify your life, the laws of the universe will be simpler.
Henry David Thoreau

#26333 - 01/09/03 02:52 AM Re: do I forgive ?
Stephen_5 Offline
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Registered: 09/12/00
Posts: 667
Loc: Northern California Foothills
I just want to reiterate what Zadok said:

"I have heard that forgiving is something we do for ourselves, not for those that committed the sin against us."

I couldn't care less what has happened to the guy who abused me. He could be rotting in hell by now for all I know. I just hope no one else was hurt by him. It was a long time ago and I've been dealing with it, healing myself. Part of my healing is forgiving myself for all the things that I've done, my anger, my acting out, my lack of respect for myself. Yes, my childhood was taken and twisted and changed my preception of what trust and love was about, but I survived that. That I survived all of that means that I can survive forgiving myself and move on.


I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center.
Kurt Vonnegut (1922-2007)

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