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#251460 - 09/27/08 07:01 PM How our culture fears the pedophile...
LandOfShadow Offline
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We with the secret knowledge of child sexual abuse, have to wonder about the society we live in...

I found this quote from "Harmful to Minors" really provocative:

"Our culture fears the pedophile, say some social critics, not because he is deviant, but because he is ordinary. And I don't mean because he is the ice-cream man or Father Patrick. No, we fear him because he is us. In his elegant study of 'the culture of child-molesting,' the literary critic James Kincaid traced this terror back to the middle of the nineteenth century. Then, he said, Anglo-American culture conjured childhood innocence, defining it as a desireless subjectivity," at the same time as it constructed a new ideal of the sexually desireable object. The two had identical attributes--softness, cuteness, docility, passivity--and this simultaneous cultural invention has presented us with a wicked psychosocial problem ever since. We relish our erotic attraction to children, says Kincaid (witness the child beauty pageants in which JonBenet Ramsey was entered). But we also find that attraction abhorrent (witness the public shock and disgust at JonBenet's 'sexualization' in those pageants). So we project that eroticized desire outward, creating a monster to hate, hunt down, and punish."

See the comment/review at http://www.amazon.com/Harmful-Minors-Perils-Protecting-Children/dp/1560255161/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b

This adds a whole broader dimension to ... shall I say, our complicated relationship with our abusers.

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#251506 - 09/27/08 09:39 PM Re: How our culture fears the pedophile... [Re: LandOfShadow]
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Originally Posted By: LandOfShadow
We with the secret knowledge of child sexual abuse, have to wonder about the society we live in...

I found this quote from "Harmful to Minors" really provocative:

". . . Anglo-American culture conjured childhood innocence, defining it as a desireless subjectivity," at the same time as it constructed a new ideal of the sexually desireable object.

. . . The two had identical attributes--softness, cuteness, docility, passivity--and this simultaneous cultural invention has presented us with a wicked psychosocial problem ever since. We relish our erotic attraction to children, says Kincaid


We certainly see this in Hollywood's portrayal of the child. I have seen a bunch of foreign movies, and there really is a difference.

And connect this with the sexual abuse of children in Hollywood. I will mention the testimony of our friend Jarrod and what he said of his activities as an "employee" of "Mark" in Los Angeles. Also there was a thread here a few weeks ago about how it looked like there was a CSA "machine" which chewed up a lot of child actors. I'm sorry I don't have time now to come up with links to both of these.

Also there is my own experience. I was "cute". I was a subject of child porn in the Los Angeles area as a 4-year-old. The perpetrator(s) of that were employee(s) of one of the major cartoon producing studios.

There were movie stars living near where we lived. John Wayne.

I will try to say more of that later.

Allen

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#251524 - 09/27/08 11:03 PM Re: How our culture fears the pedophile... [Re: pufferfish]
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There's been child-molesting way before the 19th century. Maybe it wasn't as talked about as much, but it all depends on where you are, I guess.

In ancient Greece, for example, or Rome, many men took boys as young as twelve as "lovers," and it was perfectly normal in those societies. Ancient Rome was actually the first culture to put age of consent laws on this behavior (12 or above) into law.

It should be noted that people lived half as long back then, so perhaps they didn't consider 12 a child like we do now.

I don't know if that's where you were going, but there it is. \:\)

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#253219 - 10/06/08 06:22 PM Re: How our culture fears the pedophile... [Re: AndyJB2005]
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There is a journal and a research gropu called Psychohistory...they do a lot of stuff about child abuse through the ages and also incest..according to them Child abuse in many forms has been prevalent in all societies since the bigining of history...(just think how much it took for human beings t ounderstand the process of having sex and procreation...or how they did not know difference of healthy sexual relations etc...) they claim that child abuse is not an excpetion but the rule in all societies...but we are making progress in spite of what many say...


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#253316 - 10/07/08 02:10 AM Re: How our culture fears the pedophile... [Re: sunwolf]
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In the 3rd world country where I spent 2 years in the Peace Corps as a teacher, the girls are "deflowered" while they are still girls. They undergo a painful circumcision. Because of the availability of girls for sex, the boys don't develop masturbatory habits. Homosexuality is very rare.

Allen

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