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#171069 - 08/05/07 02:06 PM god------trigger
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ok-----------so i havent really grasped this --------------------god---------------------thing--------------so hears my question---------------------------------everyone knows------little boys------------have trouble controling----------thier thing-----------it has a mind of its own--------------gets a boy in all kind of trouble-----------weather they can handle it or not------------------------------so why would a ----------god-----------make someone that way--------------------they should be -------------where the thing works--------------when they are old enough---------------------to understand-----------this sex stuff---------------and be able to fend off------------intruders----------------------------------------then you get old-----------the stupid thing doesnt work hardley at all------------when your mind mite be able to handle it-------------------------------------------------------sorry if this the wrong place to put this----------------------------just wondering--------------------steve


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#171070 - 08/05/07 02:23 PM Re: god------trigger [Re: sabata]
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Steve,

In my opinion, God made us to function and grow at right about the proper rate and time. Our development from boys to men happens as our emotions are ready for it. If, and that's a big IF, our parents are pretty stable and mature people, we would get the proper guidance and protection as boys that we needed. (Some of the men on this site even had great parents, but an abuser still reached them.) The trouble with many of us is that the abuse caused an emotional arrest in us. It's like a rubber band where the ends gets pulled tight, but the middle got caught on something and held back. So the ends keep moving forward but the middle is stuck behind, and the rubber band is held back causing a problem.

In my case, a very important part of my emotional makeup was arrested at around 10 years old. So here is my body growing up and changing, while part of my heart/mind is still thinking like a 10yo because of childhood trauma. If that trauma had not occurred, my heart and mind would have matured as they should have, and sexuality and marriage would have been viewed as a specific time frame for me. I look around me and see men who have handled things just fine and always wondered why not me.

The other side of this is that since I was arrested and didn't realize it until life wasn't working the way I needed it to, I feel quite cheated at my age. In my mind I should have married and had kids 15-20 years ago.

The only part of your post that I'm not sure I understand is this:

"----and be able to fend off------------intruders---"

In my experience, I could not fend off an intrusive mother. One does not say no to the mother. Otherwise a big ringing sound would follow, and I would find myself facing a different direction.

Thoughts?




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#171074 - 08/05/07 02:34 PM Re: god------trigger [Re: FormerTexan]
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wow thats a really deep observation.I really agree with it.


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#171075 - 08/05/07 02:36 PM Re: god------trigger [Re: FormerTexan]
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fend of intruders----------people taking advantage of you--------and that uncontroable thing


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#171115 - 08/05/07 06:36 PM Re: god------trigger [Re: sabata]
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i think the answer is kinda simple for me,god didnt do any of the other things i expected him to do ,so why should i expect him to make my mind and body grow at the same rate?

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#171452 - 08/06/07 08:06 PM Re: god------trigger [Re: shadowkid]
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people abuse each other, not God ...we messed it up with Adam and Eve, you know. It wasn't His plan for it to all turn out this way

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#171661 - 08/07/07 04:18 PM Re: god------trigger [Re: easterneurope]
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My continuing thought on this is that if we think of God as merciful and interested in our welfare, then it seems safe to conclude that he would want to make sure nothing terrible happened to us. But can that be made to work in any way? I don't think so. If God is also all-knowing and all-powerful, then there is no bad thing that he would not know about and nothing he would be unable to prevent or fix.

So what would happen if God were all these things and then acted on our behalf? We would be living in some kind of Fantasyland where bad things never happen, good and evil don't exist (because no one can do anything bad), and there is no moral dimension to anything we do. It might be safe and reassuring in a kind of bovine way, but we would be on strings in a divine puppet theatre. No risk, but no triumph; no evil, but no good either; no failure, but no achievement.

So Steve, I would say that the answer to your question is that we develop physically according to the physical laws of biology. I don't mind if anyone says these laws are the work of God. But if in the case of survivors that process doesn't allow us to achieve our full potential for sexual fulfillment, I would say that's the fault of individuals in society and not the task of God to address.

I do believe God reaches out to us to reassure and encourage us, but I don't believe that he zaps anyone to suddenly save their bacon (or anything else).

Much love,
Larry

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#171663 - 08/07/07 04:29 PM Re: god------trigger [Re: roadrunner]
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I like that Larry: the Divine versus the Bovine.

I feel like I'm flogging this one a lot, but everytime I hear the subject come up, it always leads me back to the same conclusion: that God will not interfere with people's power of choice. Otherwise, as Larry described, we become mere puppets instead of choosing when we can. I love it so much when someone chooses to do good for me. They send me a nice email or buy me something or carry me when I'm dashed on the bricks like pottery. Imagine how God feels when we choose to listen to Him and love Him.

My $0.02 worth.

Andy

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#171672 - 08/07/07 04:56 PM Re: god------trigger *DELETED* [Re: FormerTexan]
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#171673 - 08/07/07 05:02 PM Re: god------trigger [Re: shadowkid]
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Adam, it's ok.

You are stating how you feel and that to me is ok. I don't see an attack.



Edited by FormerTexan (08/07/07 05:16 PM)
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#487454 - 08/23/15 10:46 PM Re: god------trigger [Re: roadrunner]
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Originally Posted By: roadrunner
It might be safe and reassuring in a kind of bovine way, but we would be on strings in a divine puppet theatre.


Originally Posted By: FormerTexan
I like that Larry: the Divine versus the Bovine.


i agree, FormerTexan.
brilliant & poignant.
roadrunner nailed it.
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#487579 - 08/25/15 08:27 PM Re: god------trigger [Re: sabata]
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First let me say that yes God gives us life but he does not control our feelings, our actions, our attractions, in short he does not control us. We are all born with free will and we are also born in bondage to Original Sin. From the moment we enter this world we are sinners and no matter how moral, goodhearted, trustworthy, or any other good thing we still must repent of our sins and be born again through the cleansing blood of Christ Jesus. That was His reason for coming, dying and rising from the dead, because humans are incapable of getting to heaven through their own good works.
Secondly, let's talk about why things bad things happen. There are evil forces, dominions, and powers at work just as the goodness of God is at work. Now we have to understand that our short lives here of 75 to 100 years are only a vapor weighed against the immensity of eternity. As humans, the first thing we want to do is find someone to blame but do not blame God! The Bible says that the devil is the prince of the powers of the air on earth, it is Satan that causes these things to happen. Some of you may be asking yourselves, "Well can't God stop Satan from doing this that is going to cause me so much pain? " And the answer is yes, God is all-powerful, He is also all-knowing and it is His will that we come to Him and allow Him to be our strength and our answer because the Lord knows He is able to heal us from any damage that the devil can cause.
In conclusion it is important, no necessary that we trust in God and seek Him for, not only our healing, but the salvation of our souls. If you read in the Bible you know Jesus is explicit in assuring us that, as Christians, we are going to be persecuted, hated, turned on by family and friends and stuffer both physical and mental anguish and desperation. Think of the suffering that Jesus went through not only near the end but all through His life, so by expecting our lives to be a "crystal stair", essentially we are demanding better treatment than the Son of God, who is the Word of God made flesh. We burden ourselves with crosses that God does not intend our shoulders to bear, then we wonder why we can't heal or even glimpse freedom.
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#487600 - 08/26/15 05:12 AM Re: god------trigger [Re: sabata]
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amen, abir.
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#487651 - 08/27/15 03:50 AM Re: god------trigger [Re: sabata]
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Amen brother
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#487743 - 08/29/15 12:11 AM Re: god------trigger [Re: sabata]
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if God is a trigger! i say "Pull it!"
Concrete Blonde says "God is a bullet"
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